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1 posted on 10/19/2023 4:08:51 PM PDT by george76
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Long story short, they suck.


28 posted on 10/19/2023 4:33:20 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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this author is an asshol*!! his comparison using Ice cream trucks is ignorant nonsense. LEDs are more efficient across the board. any moron can see, and feel it the minute they are energized.


29 posted on 10/19/2023 4:33:23 PM PDT by sit-rep
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How is this point determined? By consumers! If consumers value frozen ice cream enough, they’ll be willing to pay more for an ice cream truck with a freezer.

Soon enough our benevolent leaders will make this choice moot for us as well.

Soon there won’t be any ice cream in need of refrigeration because they willl hav outlawed cows.

Cows fart and burp too much.

If ice cream is going to be available in the future it will have to be made of Cockroaches. And probably won’t need refrigeration.

31 posted on 10/19/2023 4:34:12 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Is the author nutz? Anyone who has replaced a 150W outdoor flood with a 30w LED knows the LED is far more efficient and a whole lot brighter.


36 posted on 10/19/2023 4:44:59 PM PDT by anton
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so-called LED “drivers” are nothing more nor less than AC-to-DC converters, and cheap ones build with cheap components rapidly burn out, and all of them produce a significant amount of waste heat ...

take a look on amazon for giant LED panels made to illuminate parking lots, and the main attribute discussed is their ability to dissipate waste heat via heavy aluminum castings ... i tried some and sent them back because they ran so hot and produced so little light for the amount of amps consumed ...

i did some calculations when i was relighting my attached garage/shop and realized that i could obtain far more light (lumens at 3500K) per amp with 8’ High Output T8 bulbs and electronic ballasts than those parking lot LED panels, the reason being that less amps were being converted to wasted heat via the T8 bulbs and electronic ballasts vs the parking lot LEDs ...

then there’s the fact that those T8 bulbs and ballasts will function for many more years than LED panels ...

as far as i’m concerned, for large lighting projects, LEDs are a costly scam and a waste of energy ...

naturally, T8 bulbs are now being phased out and it’s almost impossible now to buy a T8 fixture, though it’s still easy enough to build your own with inexpensive, high quality electronic ballasts and tombstone lamp holders of your choice, plus a bit of sheet metal ...


44 posted on 10/19/2023 4:52:51 PM PDT by catnipman (A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil)
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He’s right that there are some awful looking LED bulbs out there due to having a low CRI or too high of a color temperature. But when they have a decent CRI and the right color temperature, they produce really nice light. And in my experience they don’t burn out nearly as often as incandescents.

Just this week I picked up a 4-pack of 60-watt equivalent LED bulbs at ALDIs for $4.99. They have a CRI of 90 which is excellent and color temperature of 2500K which is warm like a soft white bulb. They’re flicker free and have a projected lifespan of 23 years.


45 posted on 10/19/2023 4:52:57 PM PDT by Yardstick
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I wonder how this hypothesis holds up with modern TV that use LEDs or QLEDs. They are the brightest TVs with the best contrast that some time ago outdid plasma. My wife has a 55" 4k LG and we have to turn the brightness down. I have a 65" 4k LG in my theater and have to do the same.

Side note: QLED 4k resolution is like looking through a window. In dark scenes with the smallest area light for effect, the black sky with all the stars twinkling is what I've been looking for years.

I've been through many High Def front projection TVs and many rear projection TVs on a 110" screen on dark painted wall, ceilings, and dark flooring. I never found true black until these new 4k TVs. I would get dark grey and the stars were faded from the ones I saw in the theater. Anyone who can afford an LG or Samsung 4k should buy one yesterday.

46 posted on 10/19/2023 4:55:29 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021? )
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Given it’s rampant abuse of being authorized to “regulate” economic matters, we’d be better off with a constitutional amendment disallowing the government to interfere with the economy.


48 posted on 10/19/2023 4:58:46 PM PDT by fruser1
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I’ll take an LED flashlight any day of the week and having lived off grid with only 350 watts of solar panel power, LEDs were a godsend.

Still don’t think incandescent should be outlawed. Let people decide.

I have an LED house bulb in a wall fixture with white coated glass that probably needs cleaning, as they usually do. Mimics an incandescent pretty well.

A droplight is another good place for LED. Bump an incandescent — boom boom, out goes the lights.


50 posted on 10/19/2023 5:01:50 PM PDT by Pollard (The US government has US citizens as political prisoners!)
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Buy the cheapest, no-name bargain LED lamps, and yes they won't last.

I resisted the curly fluorescent bulbs for the mercury-containing ecologic disasters they were, but today's LEDs, if you bother to move up just a bit on the quality scale, do last for thousands of hours, give off warm white light if that's what you want (I don't, I prefer daylight white) and cost much, much less to run.

The only location in my home that still uses incandescent bulbs is my oven.

51 posted on 10/19/2023 5:03:01 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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What happened to the BIG saving by using LEDs?


53 posted on 10/19/2023 5:06:04 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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The LED lights are getting better, but the cheaper ones do seem prone to failure. I like the ones that have a switch to control the color temperature. You don’t always know what the lighting will look like until you install it in a room.
Newer homes have much fancier lighting and usually more fixtures than older homes, so a bulb that uses less electricity and doesn’t put out a lot of heat is helpful.


54 posted on 10/19/2023 5:06:27 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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LEDs are more efficient if your goal is light and not heat.
I’ve had LED light bulbs for years without replacing them. I should probably get an LED replacement bulb for my outdoor lighting; 3000 lumen bulb that uses 27 watts and lasts for years.


55 posted on 10/19/2023 5:09:00 PM PDT by Varda
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Any scientific way you cut it and my experience with LEDs over the past 20 years has far surpassed both incandescent and those CFLs (by a long shot). Yes, you have to choose the color temperature you want and have to gauge the pure output strength but it’s not that hard to understand. In today’s market LEDs are cheaper and their heat output is clearly less than incandescent which is a big advantage in my book.

I have LEDs that have been going strong (and better, more pleasing output than incandescent) for 20 years.


57 posted on 10/19/2023 5:09:20 PM PDT by Gaffer
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This doctor has published quite a few videos that explain why near IR and red light are important for health. He promotes incandescent lamps, clear windows, and getting some sun.

https://www.youtube.com/@Medcram/videos


59 posted on 10/19/2023 5:09:37 PM PDT by old-ager
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LEDs don’t work very well in my EZ Bake Oven.


62 posted on 10/19/2023 5:15:09 PM PDT by glorgau
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This article applies to CFLs, not LEDs. The energy saved and the efficiency is incredible compared to incandescents and CFLs. The control circuitry has only improved so the longevity has as well, far beyond that of incandescent and especially CFLs.

I’ve seen those flickering yellow gas light looking LEDs on outside lights. If that can be done, anything can be with LEDs. If you go real cheap, you’re probably not going to like the light that comes from them. But they have been continually improving and are definitely better than incandescents, unless you want to melt snow off of your outside light fixture…


64 posted on 10/19/2023 5:19:19 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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Total and compete bullshit. Not worth further response to this uninformed writer.


68 posted on 10/19/2023 5:21:59 PM PDT by bigbob
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I’ve some led lights in my garage that stay on 24-7 and they’ve been going for about 12 years 3 small ones with multiple leds each I plug into the receptacles with an adaptor


70 posted on 10/19/2023 5:27:52 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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And I’ve a ton of old type bulbs too mostly new but I don’t use them much


71 posted on 10/19/2023 5:28:39 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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