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1 posted on 10/19/2023 4:08:51 PM PDT by george76
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I found some amazing tube type led to replace the fluorescent tubes in the garage and they look better but you have to get the warmer temperature color


75 posted on 10/19/2023 5:32:11 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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I have a chandelier in the dining room. It takes 10 bulbs, and we use incandescent. I bought LED’s because the reviews said they were better and now of course the only ones I could get.

Like John B Welles would say, “they are not meant to be good, they are meant to be bought”. They were so bright, and even the dimmer switch couldn’t make them tolerable. We now have to purchase a new light. You can see the elements at low and high. They literally hurt the eyes.


78 posted on 10/19/2023 5:37:17 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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I like my LED bulbs better than incandescent. Way better.


92 posted on 10/19/2023 6:04:46 PM PDT by Romulus
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My lights flicker with LED bulbs so I went back to incandescent and problem solved.


94 posted on 10/19/2023 6:06:38 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Oil lamps work well. Especially with whale oil.


96 posted on 10/19/2023 6:08:03 PM PDT by sasquatch
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Anyone remember those curly CFL light bulbs the government pushed years ago to save the environment? They too gave a crappy garish light and were an environmental hazard themselves as they contained toxic mercury. Break one and you needed hazardous material clean up.

While I use LED bulbs...what choice do you have...I never know what type of bulb to buy. Package information is cryptic and I often find the bulb gives weird lighting.


98 posted on 10/19/2023 6:10:04 PM PDT by The Great RJ ( )
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The problem has always been an issue of power supply heat.

If you power LED’s directly from DC power source, it will last an incredible long time.

I have a box of burned out LED light bulbs, more than 2 dozen the have died on me. All with the same issue. AC power supply inside the bulb fails, probably because of heat and the electrolytic capacitors.

Powered by DC power source, LED’s make a lot of sense. It is one of the small number of household devices that DC power source makes sense. (i.e solar panels)


100 posted on 10/19/2023 6:13:38 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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Have been using LEDs for years. No need for incandescents at all. They are more reliable, use much less power, and provide pleasant lighting. No complaints except the manufacturers do not mark them well. Weird.


101 posted on 10/19/2023 6:16:52 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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Heresy!, Report immediately to train 53 for re-education.


102 posted on 10/19/2023 6:17:46 PM PDT by eyeamok
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Great read


105 posted on 10/19/2023 6:25:08 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Genocide is here. Leftist extremists are spehe used tarheading the Genocide against conservatives. )
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A domestic LED uses about 14% of the energy that an incandescent does. A common LED bulb costs no more than one dollar. Pretend that incandescents only cost 25 cents in a non-manipulated market.

Give the incandescent bulb a 1000 hour lifetime. Count on about 10,000 hours for the LED. That is a savings of $1.50 per bulb over their lifetimes (10 old bulbs vs 1 LED).

In the 10,000 hours, a 100 watt bulb will use 1,000 (one thousand) kilowatt hours. Figure a very low 10 cents per kilowatt hour. That’s one hundred dollars for electricity over the life of the ten incandescent bulbs.

The LED bulb, running at 14 watts, will use 140 kilowatt hours. At only a dime per kW h, that’s $14.

So LEDs are a lot cheaper to run.

But, refer to the videos from the MD that I posted above. Being inside too much is bad for your metabolic health, and blue-ish light in the evening is bad for your sleep.

So maybe the savings of LEDs are often a bad idea. Bear in mind that you are paying about TWICE for the electricity when your AC is on when you figure the cost of running incandescents.


106 posted on 10/19/2023 6:26:59 PM PDT by old-ager
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I may be the minority. I really like LED bulbs. In the southern part of the country, excess heat impacts comfort and cost in central AC. The also don’t work great outside in very cold weather but that is limited in my geographical location. I find that LED are more susceptible to voltage drops from power companies.

Picking the correct color of light is important. Buying in bulk lowers unit cost. Allication is critical but LED works much better than Compact fluorescent bulbs.

All that said US FEDGOV should have no voice.


109 posted on 10/19/2023 6:43:44 PM PDT by wgmalabama (Censored )
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LEDs are more efficient. But they emit radio waves and cause interference in other electronics. Especially two way radios.


111 posted on 10/19/2023 6:50:05 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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I have a stash of candles and kerosene lamps. You’d have to be crazy to trust that newfangled “incandescent” gimmick. Electric lights? Just a passing fad.


112 posted on 10/19/2023 6:53:26 PM PDT by Romulus
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LEDs use less energy, are brighter, cooler, and (at least the better ones) seem to last forever. Whenever an old incandescent burns out I replace it with LED. I’m happy with them and I’m sticking with them.

But yes, the market should decide. Last data I saw indicated that the market was deciding - LED’s had captured something like 70% of the market. Banning incandescents is nothing but ignorant virtue signaling. If anything should be banned it’s mercury-bearing fluorescents.


114 posted on 10/19/2023 7:09:58 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite its unfashionability)
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100% for market choice. Mandates suck.

That said, I have never managed to burn out an LED lightbulb (yet), the original article is full of bad analogies and faulty logic, and I like using less power, money, and heat lighting up things.

Little more outlay up front; order of magnitude more efficient vastly outweighing the cost; and to be fair one has to include the cost of time to obtain and replace annoying lightbulbs when they go out.

The only use case where I see them as a waste would be in low-value rentals where people bust things regularly. Homeowners, businesses, and renters who aren’t wasteoids are better off with the bulbs (not the mandates).


116 posted on 10/19/2023 7:31:16 PM PDT by No.6
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It’s a good article that goes into detail. However, all that detail, while interesting, was unnecessary. In this case, and in all others:

“If LED light bulbs are truly unquestionably superior, you would not need to pass a law stopping consumers from purchasing incandescent bulbs.”


120 posted on 10/19/2023 8:13:48 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Required for informed consent: "We have a new, experimental vaccine.")
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Let people decide which one to get. Let manufactures decide which one to make.

If the new tech is super duper better than the old one, you will not need to make a mandate.

We do not have many people driving around in Model-T cars, just antique lovers...because mandates are not neccesary.

123 posted on 10/19/2023 8:59:26 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Certified smarter than average for my species)
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Ping for later.


124 posted on 10/19/2023 9:06:21 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ( )
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From the article:

“The problem, as you know, is that frozen ice cream is better than room temperature ice cream soup.”

I beg to differ. Maybe I’m just weird like that, but truly frozen ice cream just tastes like plain ice to me. Melt it and I can taste it just fine.


125 posted on 10/19/2023 9:12:15 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"-Voltaire)
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