Posted on 11/15/2023 1:04:26 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
This is what I believe has happened. We’ve known Tom for many years, used to live in his district and know some of his staff. He is conservative but playing by the old rules. I believe my own son has the same mindset. it tends to be frustrating that they don’t seem to see what the Dems have done.
“In this case, Tom’s using the old, conservative logic of looking at the Constitution, reading it, and applying it dispassionately. “
How does deliberately ignoring a Cabinet Officer who opens the border in violation of his oath of office to a massive foreign invasion, consistent with “The Constitution” ?
The least the dipstick could do is agree to deporting that moron Mayorkas.
Tommy must be one of those pieces of meat with two eyes who actually there is nothing we can do to stop the invasion of America by freeloading, foreign biatches.
How does deliberately ignoring a Cabinet Officer who opens the border in violation of his oath of office to a massive foreign invasion, consistent with “The Constitution” ?
You've cut to the quick of the question.
My view is that under the old rules, which were far superior to the rules that the Democrat machine has put into effect, the reasoning would go something like this.
First, the claim at the root of the complaint, the massive foreign invasion, isn't controversial on the right, but it has been a hotly contested matter for decades. The present situation is in fact a central issue in the 2024 campaign and election, and is definitially political.
Second, Mayorkas' culpability is predicated both on the underlying view of the state of the border, and one's view of his duties as a cabinet officer under the constitution, which certainly would include implementing the policies of the elected President, at whose pleasure he serves.
Thirdly, the charge against McClintock is that he's "ignoring" Mayorkas actions. He's not. He's well aware of them, and opposes the open borders polices of this, and past administrations. No need to go into his record on the subject, but he's always been a staunch defender of US border integrity.
All of which is to say that in his view, which he has clearly articulated, none of the charges against Mayorkas are criminal in nature. He's hasn't even been accused of an articulable crime or violation of any statute, and all of the complaints are partisan in nature.
Under the old rules, he's right.
Under the new rules, none of that matters, which is what you seem to be taking issue with. The Democrats broke the back of logic and reason, and have committed fully to power being the only criterion for action. In that analysis, the Democrat machine should get exactly the same treatment that they were willing to give to everyone else when they held the whip hand, a sentiment which I have, with sorrow, come to agree. That, in my view, is where Tom goes wrong on this. He's a victim of normalcy bias, and hates the new rules so much that he thinks that it might still be possible to return to them simply by acting as if the Democrats hadn't decided to ignore them. In that, he's wrong in my opinion. Now is the time to meet the Democrat aparat on the field it has chosen, and fight there.
Attempting to take the high road as he is will likely lead to much darker choices in the not too distant future, but to be fair, we're probably headed there anyway.
Joined the buggers wing probably
There is no other way to remove officials who refuse to do their job.
Democrats have impeached Trump for less, and proceded to use the impeachment to denounce and discredit him.
That has become part of our political world now.
“How does deliberately ignoring a Cabinet Officer who opens the border in violation of his oath of office to a massive foreign invasion, consistent with “The Constitution” ?
That cabinet officer is carrying out the political and law enforcement objectives of his POTUS boss. That “selective enforcement” has been upheld by the USSC, Alito writing the majority opinion.
If there is a case for impeachment in this matter, it’s against POTUS.
Stupid party strikes again.
A much more succinct summation.
High crimes and misdemeanors is actually the reason he can be impeached. He is not performing his job nor his Oath of Office and is allowing millions of foreign criminals into our country in violation of our laws.
And he’s correct: this is a political disagreement, and NOT any “high crime or misdemeanor” in the traditional sense.
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In your statement above, I added the word “NOT”. When I do that, your sentence makes sense to me.
I also agree with everything you said except that “Lying to Congress is NOT a felony. I say that because according to Wikipedia, it is. I have added that statement by Wikipedia as the very last paragraph in this comment.
But, section 1621 and 1001 of Title 18 would seem to apply to Mayorkas. See below:
Q: What are the rules about lying to Congress?
A: Glad you asked. If you are testifying in front of Congress sometime soon, and are wondering how far you can bend the truth, there are a two key statutes governing perjury you need to be aware of: U.S. Code sections 1621 and 1001 of Title 18.
Section 1621 covers general perjury, and stipulates that anyone who “willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true” is guilty of perjury and shall be fined or imprisoned up to five years, or both. Section 1001 covers false statements more generally, without requiring an oath. The section stipulates that “whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the government of the United States, knowingly and willfully” falsifies or conceals information, including before a congressional committee’s inquiry, may also be fined or imprisoned up to five years.
In the United States, the general perjury statute under federal law classifies perjury as a felony and provides for a prison sentence of up to five years.
“That cabinet officer is carrying out the political and law enforcement objectives of his POTUS boss. That “selective enforcement” has been upheld by the USSC, Alito writing the majority opinion. “
And people wonder why I think that “Constitutional Conservatism” is an ideology of defeat and failure ?
In your statement above, I added the word “NOT”. When I do that, your sentence makes sense to me.
Sigh. Thank you. I need to proofread.
I also agree with everything you said except that “Lying to Congress is NOT a felony. I say that because according to Wikipedia, it is. I have added that statement by Wikipedia as the very last paragraph in this comment.
I think that must have been someone else's observation, but it's a good point, which I had not considered, and I was not aware that she had included that in her impeachment resolution.
Sincere thanks for the conversation.
We would appear to be in agreement on that point.
McClintock proves the only reason the Republican Party will get any votes in 2024 will be if Trump is on the ballot.
Why is it that turds on the GOP side, always try to claim some sort of high-handed excuse for their lack of stones; and the left has ZERO compunction to do the same? They simply don’t care and push all sorts of blatant violations, because, progress comrades!
“Why is it that turds on the GOP side, always try to claim some sort of high-handed excuse for their lack of stones; and the left has ZERO compunction to do the same? “
Truthful answer: because Repub donors demand it.
One of the structural asymmetries in US politics (and similar exists in other countries) is that the agenda of Repub donors is totally opposite to the preferences of their voters on many issues.
And the politicians are caught in the middle. They end up faking it with public speeches, while serving their donors and re-assuring the donors in private.
Democrats don’t have that problem because their voters, donors and politicians are basically on the same page.
I guess so.
I think you have more faith in the idea that McClintock is sincere, just deluded.
While I believe they are all clued in and just faking.
Two data points.
Repub Hill congressional staffer said that all the Dems and half the Repubs were Swamp when they arrived. After a while the half of the non-Swamp Repubs become seriously compromised, so the odds that a multi decade career politician like McClintock is faking is extremely high.
Story from the Uk. Senior elected politicians will admit, off the record, that everything Enoch Powell predicted about mass immigration had come true. But it was too late, and there is nothing anyone can do.
Then they go out and make speeches about how immigration benefits Britain, diversity is our greatest strength...
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