Black women most likely to die in medieval London plague (actual BBC article)

BBC ^ | 11/21/2023

[Drew68]

I would be surprised if there were a lot of people we consider black (eg, Sub-Suharan) in the UK during the plague as the plague occurred more than 50 years before the age of exploration in which Europeans started sailing long distances, such as to sub-Saharan Africa, and even then, it was the Portuguese who went.

I would bet that the non-Anglo-Saxon population of medieval Britain was at most a fraction of 1%.

There might not be any quick way to check this though as everything I can google will be full of lies.

[silent majority rising]

They are all dead, Jim.

[Fiji Hill]

How many blacks were living in England in 1348? England conducted no maritime trade with any sub-Saharan African nations and would not do so for at least another century, so any blacks who wound up in England would have had to come from Muslim Spain, Morocco, the Barbary Coast, the Mameluke Sultanate, or the Ottoman Empire.

[rlmorel]

Heh, they tried making ancient Egypt black, and the Egyptians, rightly so, were having none of it.

There have been blacks pushing that trope for years.

[Yardstick]

BLR covered this several years ago. Here is their in depth report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ

[econjack]

...social and economic environment played a significant role in people's health and this is most likely why we find more people of colour and those of black African descent in plague burials.

Total BS. There are other, more likely, reasons for the proportions. Something as simple as housing density could account for the sample difference. We already know that certain water wells in London were more contaminated than others. Indeed, until all plague burials are sampled, generalizing from a very limited sample makes it dangerous to generalize.

[old school]

Are you not convinced? LOL!

[libertylover]

Black women of African descent were more likely to die of the medieval plague in London,

Both of them?

[Pikachu_Dad]

Well, all the rich did escape to their country cottages.

[bigdaddy45]

Clearly reparations are in order!

[njslim]

The bubonic plague Women, children , minorities hit hardest

[Ancesthntr]

“The research concluded that higher death rates amongst people of colour and those of black African descent was a result of the “devastating effects” of “premodern structural racism” in the medieval world.

What was the medieval plague?

Often referred to today as the Black Death, the outbreak of 1348-1350 was a deadly infectious disease that swept across Asia and Europe, killing millions of people.”
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And perhaps these “researchers” missed the fact that the black death didn’t touch Africa in any significant way. Nor did many other outbreaks of what we now recognize to be the same disease that occurred over the prior 1000 or so years. As such, a greater proportion of those native to Europe and Asia were (and they’re descendants still are) immune, by virtue of the fact that their ancestors were immune, or at least were able to survive the disease, and reproduce. No such culling occurred in Africa, and that is likely the reason why the results found by these moronic people occurred.

Disease doesn’t give a rat’s ass what your race is, it cares how good your immune system is. If your immune system isn’t up to fighting the disease, then you are going to get sick and may die. If your immune system reacts very strongly against the disease, you either won’t get sick or, if you do, then you will likely recover. That is science, not this BS.

[ShadowAce]

Black women of African descent?

As opposed to white women of South African descent.

[Repealthe17thAmendment]

There seems to be the idea that all people from Africa would be what we consider today to be black. But that is not the case, especially regarding the area of Northern Africa, which was part of the Roman Empire from BC times, and about 500 AD were taken over by Vandals, who were from Germanic territory.

I would guess that most of the movement of people from Africa to Britannia during the Roman Empire, and even much later were not black, as we know it today.

[Bon of Babble]

Well, according to the BBC, Anne Bolyn was black:

[ABN 505]

I saw the Robin Hood / Kevin Costner shlock movie and sure enough there was a black guy/ muslim hero/ good guy in it, I could not finish watching it. I believe in the 1300’s a moor would not have lasted too long in jolly old England.

[cartan]

Women and minorities hardest hit!

[Gay State Conservative]

It seems possible.People of African decent may have immune systems that are slightly different than those found in people of European decent. They may fight off certain infections better than Europeans...and Europeans may fight off other infections better than Africans.

[GreyFriar]

And how many black female skeletons did they find? Also, how many black males died, more or less than females? Sounds like this person is laying their modern biases onto archeology from 800 years ago.... aka only worth adding to the dung heap.

[Jamestown1630]

I’m not sure, but I think that at times Brits have referred to South Asians as ‘black’.