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Posted on 01/13/2024 10:25:13 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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Not with projectiles
Why not with something akin to the CIWS?
Throw enough lead up there, it’ll hit something.
I'm not sure we can accurately correlate manufacturing costs from Rubles to US Dollars currently.
Particularly since the BRICs and cooperating nations have been moving away from the US Petro Dollar and Reserve Currency.
Russia has been working successfully with Hypersonic Missiles for a long time, and has moved materials sourcing, manufacture and electronic chip manufacture into Russia more than a decade ago.
Meanwhile, US Economic and Monetary Policy has endangered the entire world's Economy and put the US irretrievably into debt.
It probably costs the Russians a lot less than represented to hit whatever it is that they hit.
Interesting video, it seems obvious that Russia has an edge with their Hypersonics.
I have explained why the AWACs approach doesn’t work. Have to go find the comment, too much bother. Synopsis is AWACS signal requires directional antenna on the missile, and thus pointed correctly. Anything non directional will be jammed.
No doubt hypersonic missiles need interception systems. My point was simply that hypersonic is receives a great deal of hype, but in the electronics world, Mach 10 is like standing still.
As others noted, having interceptors in the area that can be ready to reach incoming hypersonic missiles would be a bigger issue. If you don’t have interceptors in range—and that range would need to be closer in order to hit a faster incoming missile—your goose is cooked.
I think I was listening to Alexander who explained that what was happening here was the Ukies were shooting at decoys (electronic or whatever) and counting those as hits...hence the high counts. LOL.
US stealth has not been defeated? Depends on what kind of stealth you are talking about. Stealth fighters (F-117A) have been shot down.
The Kinzhal comes in high and supersonic, then dives on the target. You do not have a very large window of time to put slow moving objects in the way of it. Your only good chance is during the terminal descent phase.
The mid-flight altitude of a Kinzhal is about 50 km. Hard to get a wall of lead up there.
If you have enough detection time you could hit a fast missile with a slow wall of bullets during the terminal descent phase. The missile might be too close by then to prevent a purely kinetic impact even if the guidance system and warhead are disabled.
It is going to hit something and leave a big hole.
It is much easier to put a fast counter missile in front of it. For limited values of "much easier". If that works, the wreckage will crash far away from the intended target.
In the category of "weapons I wish we had", a laser shot would be the best method of killing these missiles.
The wholesale massacre of the Ukies who are too stupid to run from the guns is holding the Russians in place.
Oddly enough, the Russians seem to have lost a bunch too… and are stuck where they are.
A few fewer ships left in the Black Sea too.
i guess my point is, the actual price is immaterial other than that it is a VERY large amount of rubbles and hitech technology, only to be wasted on an apartment complex and not a military target...
At least the Ukrainians and our Media inform us that the Russians seem to have lost a bunch too.
BTW - our Media constantly tells us that the 2020 "elections" were the most secure and cleanest EVAH!!!
Knowwhutahmean, Vern?
Military Summary Channel on YouTube says 39 missiles fired, 8 claimed shot down by Ukraine.
The 3 day Missile campaign two weeks ago saw about 375 of these missiles fired and less than 80 failed to hit their target.
Ukrainian politicians and some Military are saying Ukrainian air defense supplied by the west has now failed.
75% success rate now. This is the beginning of the end. Before the Russian elections, Putin is preparing to push Ukrainian forces out of artillery and drone range of his city’s.
Ukraine had a Military personnel advantage until January 2024, and the 300,000 new Russian soldiers entering the line.
A lot of retreating is in the cards for Zelensky’s boys and girls.
I don't see any advantage in blowing up ordinary Ukrainian or Russian citizens to distract public attention from GloboHomo Oligarchs.
There is no doubt that there are targeting errors on both sides, however there also is no doubt that Ukraine manufactures, modifies and assembles weapons in civilian housing areas.
I don't believe Russian leaders enjoy paying for a Hypersonic over an artillery round. I do believe they are willing to pay for an acceptable success rate, and have taken the steps I previously described to control costs and success.
I suspect the Russians are actually managing the tactics in this war in a boring and bureaucratic manner, it is their historical trait to do so.
Not that they don't learn and adapt.
Yep, it looks like the war is slowly plodding in the direction you describe.
100%
All US stealth aircraft can be seen on radar. It is just a matter of the distance. All our aircraft can be seen 35 or more miles away on standard AESA radar onboard other aircraft like the F-18. All ground based radar can see our stealth aircraft more than 100 miles away. It is why we have been relying less on bomb dropping and more on missiles standing off 100+ miles away.
“How much computing can be done in a full second?”
Depends on the processor, but easily with military grade chips, more than 64 billion calculations a second. Using advanced chips, more than 10 trillion calculations per second. Those are conservative values.
Using a 286-16Mhz processor in 1989, I engineered the system to calculate ballistic missile reentry trajectories in real-time. Such things are relatively easy to do.
“Such things are relatively easy to do.”
Agreed. I read the Russian missiles can zigzag to try and throw off defenses, but I’m pretty sure this can be accounted for, too. There must be a point where the missile must commit to a particular path if it intends to hit a target.
I just think stealth and speed are so last war. Quantity will overcome quality of individual weapons. For example, how much better can we make bomber technology? How many billions will it cost for one bomber? How much faster and maneuverable can we make a fighter? We are talking about incremental changes that are becoming exponentially more expensive.
Who knows where it will lead, but I think we are seeing some clues in the present conflicts. We simply cannot keep shooting down cheap Houthi drones and missiles with expensive and complicated (slow and logistically difficult to produce) Patriot missiles for example.
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