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Air Force wants to retire 250 aircraft as part of $188B FY25 budget request
Breaking Defense ^ | March 11, 2024 at 2:00 PM | Michael Marrow

Posted on 03/12/2024 3:21:55 AM PDT by Fish Speaker

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To: Fish Speaker
We are spending so much on Ukraine we cannot afford to support our existing air force.

Pretty soon, the Ukraine will be operating F-16s so they can squander our tactical air munitions like they have blown through our reserves of javelins, stingers and 155mm howitzer shells

21 posted on 03/12/2024 4:22:56 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: hopespringseternal

“The air force has been run by retards for a very long time. The current crop of leaders is the worst of a long line of declining ability and character. I doubt they could win an air war with Mexico.”

They literally HATE our military - otherwise they wouldn’t be DEMILITARIZING in the middle of a major war, with other major wars looming just around the corner.

I came out against the Ukraine War in large part because the people running the US today literally WANTED TO LOSE THE COLD WAR - so should we be surprised that they setting us up to lose World War 3?


22 posted on 03/12/2024 4:24:37 AM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: rdcbn1

Perhaps, but production of these weapons is ramping up, if we depleted our weapons stocks by minimal support for Ukraine, imagine how long they would have lasted against China.

Europe and US ramping up production might be the best outcome of this war

Think WW2, the collective west was asleep when it came to production. Imagine trying to ramp up production in an active war with China, NK, and Iran

Yes Putin did that


23 posted on 03/12/2024 4:29:43 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: hopespringseternal

“I doubt they could win an air war with Mexico.”

Sadly, on the serious side we have already lost a war with Mexico without even flying a kite.


24 posted on 03/12/2024 4:30:09 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute. )
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To: rdcbn1

Biden has drained not only our military munition reserves but our strategic oil reserves. America is being lead by an Alzheimer Patient...and his leftist advisors.


25 posted on 03/12/2024 4:34:00 AM PDT by donozark (Even when Paul Pelosi isn't drinking, he's getting hammered.)
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To: hopespringseternal

Just think of how much money they would save if they got rid of all the aircraft in the Air Force?


26 posted on 03/12/2024 4:34:07 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: srmanuel

Very expensive to operate, for most aircraft on this list. The F22s and F15s especially.

Also, can’t give anything to Ukraine without “funding” to cover book value, even if its being disposed of. Thats an absurd rule that accounts for a very large chunk of whats been “spent” on military aid.


27 posted on 03/12/2024 4:43:31 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: BobL

30 M1s and 100 Bradleys, in an army thats got @ a thousand tanks in service plus 3000 APCs.

There were also @50 Leopard IIs.


28 posted on 03/12/2024 4:46:25 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: rdcbn1

All of this stuff was intended for use vs the Russians in the first place. Thats why it existed.


29 posted on 03/12/2024 4:48:53 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: BobL

The US is building about 250 NEW combat aircraft annually, including 150 F35’s. About 2/3 of that goes to US forces and the rest to foreign military sales.

The disposition listed, of combat aircraft, represents about 9 months of aquisitions for the USAF.


30 posted on 03/12/2024 4:54:03 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

(I Photoshopped this a while back in relation to a story about some Jihadi in his vehicle making a getaway somewhere...:)

31 posted on 03/12/2024 4:54:08 AM PDT by rlmorel (In Today's Democrat America, The $5 Dollar Bill is the New $1 Dollar Bill.)
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To: donozark

1. The US munition reserves are unaffected for those categories that matter in a Pacific War. There is an overall shortage for what will be needed for a war with China, but this has been true for the last decade or more.

2. The US is an oil exporter these days, no thanks to Biden. The oil reserve is moot under these circumstances.


32 posted on 03/12/2024 4:58:39 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: rlmorel

These things are useful vs jihadis and the like, but they are of limited value against people with a real air defense system.


33 posted on 03/12/2024 5:00:10 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Fish Speaker

So that’s 250 less Pilots required, or there are not enough Pilots to fly them as is? I doubt the Trannies can qualify, let alone want to even attempt to be a Pilot.


34 posted on 03/12/2024 5:08:33 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Fish Speaker; 04-Bravo; 1FASTGLOCK45; 1stFreedom; 2ndDivisionVet; 2sheds; 60Gunner; 6AL-4V; ...

AVIATION PING!....................


35 posted on 03/12/2024 5:09:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: buwaya

Sure. Helicopters are another example of that. They are fantastic if you control the air.

If you don’t, they are deathtraps.

There are lots of valid examples. It began in WWII. If you don’t control the air, you don’t control the battlefield. Simple as that.


36 posted on 03/12/2024 5:10:05 AM PDT by rlmorel (In Today's Democrat America, The $5 Dollar Bill is the New $1 Dollar Bill.)
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To: Fish Speaker

Can the Marines get the A-10s?


37 posted on 03/12/2024 5:11:52 AM PDT by null and void (There’s only one thing that’s for sure. Everyone on all sides a conflict will be happy to lie to you)
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To: buwaya

How expensive is it to operate F-16s that are being given to Ukraine ??

My point, if these planes are destined for the Boneyard where they will have near zero value, why not see if they could be used in Ukraine, properly outfitted, they would equal to anything the Russians could put in the air.


38 posted on 03/12/2024 5:12:07 AM PDT by srmanuel ( )
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To: hopespringseternal
I doubt they could win an air war with Mexico.

With Mexico, sí.

With the cartels? ¡NO!

39 posted on 03/12/2024 5:13:37 AM PDT by null and void (There’s only one thing that’s for sure. Everyone on all sides a conflict will be happy to lie to you)
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To: srmanuel

There are already plenty of F16s on the way to Ukraine committed from ex-Euro (Netherlands, Norway, Denmark) stocks, 50-60 of them AFAIK. The limiting factor is Ukraines ability to operate them.

I guess the F16 C/Ds would be a good addition, if US politics permits.


40 posted on 03/12/2024 5:17:16 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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