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Archaeologists Find Celts in Unlikely Spot: Central Turkey
NYT ^ | 12/25/2001 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 12/24/2001 10:20:40 PM PST by a_Turk

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To: Mortimer Snavely
>I'd have said, "We haven't seen this anywhere else except in Celtic sites."

Works for me, Mort, in attempting to prove they were Celts. It is the authors extension of that logic to assert these Celts were engaged in religious sacrifice that falls flat.

41 posted on 12/27/2001 7:21:22 AM PST by DensaMensa
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To: Captain Shady
Just an FYI for you and all your Celtic brethren and sistren, 30% of the American Revoltionary Army was Irish (many also fought on the Crown's side, but not this high a percentage).

Source: A Narrative of a Revolutionary Soldier, Signet Classic, 2001, by Joseph Plumb Martin. (Irish per cent from the Introduction by Thomas Fleming).

42 posted on 12/27/2001 8:35:42 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
>Just an FYI for you and all your Celtic brethren and sistren, 30% of the American Revoltionary Army was Irish (many also fought on the Crown's side, but not this high a percentage).

Almost the entire army on both sides were Celts. Just another of the many Celt vs Celt battles throughout history.

43 posted on 12/27/2001 8:45:29 AM PST by DensaMensa
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To: DensaMensa
You must be including the Scots and the Welsh; they certainly did make a high Celtic percentage in the Crown's Army.
44 posted on 12/27/2001 8:50:05 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: a_Turk
Modern Celts in America: Seven Nations
45 posted on 12/27/2001 8:53:07 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: DensaMensa
>Just another of the many Celt vs Celt battles ...

That is true enough, but when you add Prof Barry Fells America BC to the mix it gets even MORE interesting. Then you have Celts fighting "indigenous" Celts???

46 posted on 12/27/2001 9:06:20 AM PST by skraeling
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To: a_Turk
On a related note, the Vikings were thought of so highly as warriors by the Byzantines that they were hired as mercenaries at times. The Vikings were one of the few who had the balls to try and sack Constantinople and live to tell about it.
47 posted on 12/29/2001 12:18:29 AM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: skraeling
>Then you have Celts fighting "indigenous" Celts???

That's a fascinating concept. And it may even be true. A great many of the ancient European battles between essentially "unidentified" parties were in reality battles between different Celtic tribes.

48 posted on 01/03/2002 6:04:52 PM PST by DensaMensa
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To: a_Turk
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49 posted on 01/03/2002 6:06:37 PM PST by Bob J
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To: a_Turk
According to Greek lore, Ephesus was founded by the Amazons. Probably no connection between Amazons and Celts, what would you say

A Greek Amphora shows a Greek warrior doing battle with a warrior clad in breeches. I spoke to an historian (a real art historian) and remarked that it must have been a Scythian. She corrected me and remarked that it was and Amazon depicted, a re-enactment of a familiar story. But the costume was intriquing. Both Celts and Scythians wore breeches, both were thought to be descendents of caucasian tribes, and both spoke Indo-european tongues.

Elsewhere the claim was made about the bad press the Celts supposedly received from the Greeks and Romans. There's archeological evidence supporting the head-hunting and human sacrifice claims. My take, as a Celt: we were barbarians of the worst imaginable sort, tamed by Greek thought, Roman law, and Hebraic spirituallity.

50 posted on 03/18/2002 9:57:26 AM PST by tsomer
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To: a_Turk
bttt
51 posted on 03/18/2002 10:04:24 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: tsomer
My take, as a Celt: we were barbarians of the worst imaginable sort, tamed by Greek thought, Roman law, and Hebraic spirituallity.
I know what you mean. We (almost) couldn't resist the taming influence of those rascals either :)
52 posted on 03/18/2002 10:20:46 AM PST by a_Turk
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To: weikel
Actually, the Turkic and Mongol peoples are racially different from each other. Mongols are Mongoloid, and Turks are Turanid caucasoid. Their languages are related and their styles of combat are similar, but so are all other steppe peoples.
53 posted on 01/05/2003 10:35:22 AM PST by Jacob Kell
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To: denydenydeny
Galatia in Turkey was the land of the Galatoi (Celts), although the area included non-Celtic-speakers...like the people addressed in St. Paul's letter to the Galatians (which was written in Greek).

Galatea (Galateia) is an unrelated name from Greek mythology, found already in Homer and Hesiod.

I don't know if Galicia in Poland (also spelled Galitzia, Galizien, Galicja) is connected to the ancient Galli or not.

54 posted on 04/24/2006 9:28:07 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Pharmboy
The largest portion of the Irish who fought in the Continental Army was Scotch-Irish, who were descendants of Lowland Scots, with some Highland Scots, Northern English, and "original Irish" mixture, who emigrated to Northern Ireland in the 16th and 17th Centuries, as part of an attempt by the Tudor and Stuart monarchs to establish loyal subjects in Ireland. The Lowland Scots spoke Scots English, a dialect of English, and not a Celtic language. The Celtic languages had died out in the Lowlands during the Middle Ages. The Lowlanders were linguistically Anglo-Saxon and at least partially Germanic (Anglo Saxon and Scandinavian) by race and culture.
55 posted on 04/24/2006 9:40:03 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

There could be some Irish admixture in the Lowlands (from the early middle ages, when Gaelic was brought from Ireland). Apparently some of the old place names in the far southern part of mainland Scotland are P-Celtic (going back to people related to the Welsh and the Cornish, rather than to Q-Celtic immigrants from Ireland).


56 posted on 04/24/2006 11:17:49 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: a_Turk

I believe this may be where they spend the off season resting from this past miserable season.

www.nba.com/celtics/

To be sure, please check the above site out.


57 posted on 04/24/2006 11:24:43 AM PDT by bugsplat (Go Boston, Next Year Will Be Better)
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Keith R. DeVries, 69, curator of the Mediterranean section of the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology and a professor at Penn, died of cancer Sunday at the Fountains at Logan Square, where he had been for four days. He lived in Center City. Dr. DeVries' career at Penn and the museum spanned more than 35 years... He began a scholarly interest in Greece, especially the city of Corinth, that continued throughout his life... Dr. DeVries' study of Corinthian pottery led him to propose a chronological adjustment for the Greek colonization in the central Mediterranean. Previously, King Midas was thought to be buried in Gordion, in central Turkey. That tomb is now believed to be of an earlier ruler, perhaps Midas' father, Gordias... He also was writing a book titled Homosexuality and the Athenian Democracy. Dr. DeVries is survived by two brothers, Roger and David.
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58 posted on 07/20/2006 7:42:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Archaeologists Find Celts in Unlikely Spot: Central Turkey
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59 posted on 07/20/2006 7:47:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: a_Turk

Hmmm. Usually I just find giblets in central turkey...


60 posted on 07/20/2006 8:08:35 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Rugged individualists of the world, unite!)
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