John Ashcroft heralds the end of a major drug ring with 11 indictments

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | April 20, 2002 | Torsten Ove

[palo verde]

to become a law, all congress has to do is pass it and prez sign it
it is function of Supreme Court to judge whether it is consistent with our Constitution
the Constitution guarantees citizens their liberties
the war on drugs, like prohibition, denies people the right to free choice
this is why it is ineffective as law
and causes more harm than good
Love, Palo

[southern rock]

The article was talking about businesses used in the trafficking of heroin, which caused over 129 deaths. One supposes that according to the moral-liberal ideologues, if Rosie O'Donnel had gotten one of the heroin homes cheap, that it would have been better to see 129 heroin deaths than Rosie getting a home.

Typical CJ. Your heart bleeds buckets for people who might choose to shoot heroin into their veins, but not 1 drop for the burden of American taxpayer. The only moral-liberal around here is you. You desire to sheild people from having to suffer the consequences of their actions - with taxpayer money. Sick!

[varon]

John Ashcroft heralds the end of a major drug ring with 11 indictments

I would be more impressed if the headline was:
John Ashcroft heralds the end of a major political coruption ring with indictments of Bill Clinton and 11 others of his previous administration.

[palo verde]

Ashcroft is not doing his job a bit so far as the more important issue of corruption in government

this says it all for me

[Cultural Jihad]

The reason for law is not to make people moral or self-governing. Those are the purview of parents and religion, which helps form a conscience. The law removes the impunity of the commission of crimes in front of sworn officers of the law, and sets a standard for the newest members of society that these are the collective values of our society.

[Cultural Jihad]

the war on drugs, like prohibition, denies people the right to free choice

Laws against bank robbery somehow rob would be bank robbers of their free will choice on whether to rob a bank or not? Often times the loony moral-leftists try to excuse irresponsible and criminal behaviors, to claim that society is to blame rather than the criminal. Please explain how laws thwart free will or free choice. You can't.

[palo verde]

I would be more impressed if the headline was:
John Ashcroft heralds the end of a major political coruption ring with indictments of Bill Clinton and 11 others of his previous administration

if that were the headline it would restore my faith in Rule of Law
and in justice
Love, Palo

[Cultural Jihad]

fedophile

Thanks for the new word.

tpaine's new Orwellian word implies that conservative values are no better than child-rape. The moral-liberal libertarian trivialization of child-rape has been noted.

[RJCogburn]

Laws against bank robbery somehow rob would be bank robbers of their free will choice on whether to rob a bank or not?

CJ, I just know that you can tell the difference between crimes of force or fraud, and crimes of stupid personal choices. I know you can

Try.

[palo verde]

honey, if you can't see the difference between taking a drink or smoking pot
and murder and robbery
then our discussion won't lead anywhere
Love, Palo

[Cultural Jihad]

Of course there is a difference, but the differences were not germane to your assertion that laws somehow thwart free choice.

[tpaine]

Why should a criminal enjoy the fruits of their criminal enterprise?

Why should a government bureaucracy enjoy the fruits of their illegal confiscations in a 'war on some drugs' that have been unconstitutionaly declared to be criminal possessions?

[RJCogburn]

Why should a government bureaucracy enjoy the fruits of their illegal confiscations in a 'war on some drugs' that have been unconstitutionaly declared to be criminal possessions?

Because too many of us allow it.

[southern rock]

Of course there is a difference, but the differences were not germane to your assertion that laws somehow thwart free choice.

But laws are used to prosecute and punish. Why, in your opinion, should buying, selling, or taking drugs require prosecution and/or punishment??

[afraidfortherepublic]

Good for John Ashcroft. His predecessor's only accomplishments were roasting and kidnapping children when she wasn't occupied by harrassing billionaire software developers!

[Cultural Jihad]

the war on drugs, like prohibition, denies people the right to free choice

Since you apparently want people to learn the hard way, then you are also against the public funding of traffic warning signs. "Let 'em figure out the hard way just how unforgiving metal can be! Why should I be burdened with paying for warning signs? Let 'em die by the side of the road for all I care! I am a loving person!"

Statist signpost robbing people of their free choice

[southern rock]

The WOD:

Oh yeah, and the constitution is in there, too!