'ENVIRONMENTAL TERRORISM': Western Governors, Bush Decry Fire Fiasco

NewsMax.com Wires and NewsMax.com ^ | June 26, 2002 | United Press International

[Carry_Okie]

No Mud, I would go further. No government ownership. Privatize it all. There is a better way to resolve interdependent community issues and competing risks in land use that starts with civic respect for private property rights.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!

[Mudboy Slim]

"No government ownership. Privatize it all."

That'd be my ultimate goal as well, but a first step in that process would be to get the control of this Land outta DeeCee...it's absolutely appalling what the Feds have gobbled up over the last decade!! Let Utah citizens be primarily responsible for Utah lands, at least then we might find a way to fire someone the next time we have a catastrophe like these fires!!

FReegards...MUD

[hattend]

"No government ownership. Privatize it all."

That'd be my ultimate goal as well, but a first step in that process would be to get the control of this Land outta DeeCee...it's absolutely appalling what the Feds have gobbled up over the last decade!! Let Utah citizens be primarily responsible for Utah lands, at least then we might find a way to fire someone the next time we have a catastrophe like these fires!!

FReegards...MUD

Yep, incrememntalism got us to this point of ineptitude/incompetence, incrementalism can get us out.

[thepitts]

So, am I a "terrorist anti-abortionist" or a "right to lifer"?

[Carry_Okie]

You do realize that the first thing that would happen is that the liberals in Salt Lake, Snowmass, Park City, etc. would organize to call the shots on forest management everywhere else in the State?

Around here, if it were left up to the locals it would be illegal to ever cut another tree without an outrageously expensive permit. In the next County, (Santa Clara) they have a $5,000 fine for "adverse pruning."

There is a better way to implement privatization. I've got that plan too.

[Carry_Okie]

You can't "incrementalize" from the top down. The States don't have the power to do it. Look at what happened with SB-1 in New Mexico.

Nope, an incremental plan starts with the private property owner. Both Constitutionally and environmentally, it is the strongest position from which to operate. The only trick is to get standing in the court. I've got that figured out too.

[hattend]

I think both of our ideas have problems. Unless the entire west burns to the bare earth and hundreds of thousands of people start getting pissed off, you won't see the feds privatizing vast tracts of land, either. It took them so long to get them.

Just talking to my friends and family still left in the PRC, unless they see the flames licking at their homes, they don't care. "California burns every year" is a common reply. They don't care that blame for these holocausts ("fires" isn't an apt description) can be placed at the feet of govermental agencies who have been poisoned by envirals within and their environmental policies of the last couple of decades

I think you, me and Mudboy have our work cut out for us.

[Carry_Okie]

You don't start with vast tracts. You start with single individuals on several legal fronts, and VERY quietly. Get the precedent in place and replicate. That happens faster than one might think considering how long it would take to get the contracts for forest thinning in place through the Federal bureaucracy and the courts.

Remember: ownership is equivalent to control of use. Whether the Feds own it or not, this battle is about who controls how the land is managed. I argue (and can probably prove) that the agencies of government operate with motives that are structurally adverse to their respective mandates. OTOH there are individuals whose motives can be coaligned with the collective claim, and it starts with private enterprise.

Finally, you only have a few clues what my ideas are. Perhaps you shouldn't prejudge them until you have read the book.

[backhoe]

Sonaffagun, I'd forgotten all about this banner I had saved:

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While I still think a new category- burn_baby_burn, fire_storm, or forest_mismanage would be preferrable, this will serve for now.

[blackie]

Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

[Schatze]

The people who lost their homes in these fires should file class-action lawsuits against the "green" organizations, such as the Sierra Club, that are responsible for this destruction. That would generate some well-deserved negative publicity for these so-called environmental groups, tie them up in court and perhaps get a large chunk of money out of their hands.

My two cents.

[Grampa Dave]

The problem is that the Bent one signed an Executive Order banning suits against the enviral nazis and their druid priests pretending to be foresters.

Hopefully President Bush will sign an XO repealing this one.

I'm in total agreement with. When these enviral nazis are dragged into civil court and sued for all that they and their organization own, this will stop this bs. Also, any enviral card carrying judge must recuse him/her self or be up for impeachment charges.

[Free the USA]

Thanks for the banner, you can always get creative and add a couple of keywords.

[Schatze]

The Bent one ... I wish he'd get bent.

I didn't know he'd signed an Executive Order to that effect, but it figures. The damage Bill and Hill have done to the United States is incalculable.

Surely there must be a smart lawyer out there who can find a way around Bill's 11th-hour shenanigans.

[monday]

nothing will change till the government sells the forests. Gov't is incapable of managing anything.

[Angelique]

I've already contacted my reps, but I know that they are madder than heck and not going to take it anymore. As I posted on another thread, the greenies days are numbered after these horrific forest fires.

[Let's Roll]

Don't know about the other groups you mentioned, but after Islamic terrorists, I consider the watermelons the most dangerous people in this country - even if they never pick up a weapon.

[Angelique]

It is time for conservative Americans to rip off the phoney cloak of respectability off these Enviral Terrorists so the rest of America can see how evil and dangerous these Enviral terrorists are to the rest of us!

I think the forest fires that recently ravaged AZ and CO pretty well ripped their britches off and bit them in the butt.

[mafree]

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