FBI taps Mormon for post

Washington Times ^ | July 11, 2001 | Jeery Seper

[hchutch]

Why would they get involved?

Perhaps because our country was attacked, and this a way we can help our country protect itself. Pure 100% patriotism. If you can't handle that, it ain't my problem.

[habaes corpussel]

"Perhaps because our country was attacked, and this a way we can help our country protect itself. Pure 100% patriotism. If you can't handle that, it ain't my problem."

Though I do not support LDS they have a right to assemble and preach their beliefs. Saying that, as a religious based organization they should focus all they're resources in that realm. That also goes for all religious organizations.

[Grig]

"they seem to be very active in forming data bases that are
outside they're own beliefs and groups."

The records the church keeps are directly related to administrative needs and church doctrine. You are coming across as just being paranoid, perhaps you could clarify just what you are afraid of?

"Finally, they being a religious organization should not be
getting involved with the US Government Information Systems outside the realm of a religious organization in any shape or form. "

FYI, the guy is not church property, he is his own person and made his own career decision, and donating a information system doesn't involve the church in the work of the FBI. They are being a good citizen. Do you think that no good deed by the LDS should go unpunished or something?

[Grig]

"I have a huge problem when any religious organization starts doing something like this with any Federal Law Enforcement or
Intelligence Agency."

Doing something like what, donating some usefull software?
What is the scary downside of that? All churches have a vested interst in keeping the USA free and all churches should do what they can to help keep it free.

[Grig]

"One has to wonder why LDS even got involved in a federal program like this in the first place."

I was considering posting a joke about digging up the file we have on you, but I think you would take it seriously.

If you don'thave something more than paranoid innuendo to throw around stop wasting bandwidth and go buy yourself some more tin foil.

[hchutch]

Actually, I'd call any donation of software - if such a donation occured - an act of self-preservation. If the Islamists win, do you really believe they will let any of the other religions continue to worship as they choose?

[habaes corpussel]

"Doing something like what, donating some usefull software? What is the scary downside of that? All churches have a vested interst in keeping the USA free and all churches should do what they can to help keep it free."

Yes including offering some useful sofeware for law enforcement or intelligence purposes. This allows a Church to have a special access over other Churches and Religions in an area of law enforcement and intelligence. NO Church has any businees being so actively involved in these two areas.

Besides I think there are commerical outfits that have the Mormons out gunned.

[Illbay]

Especially with the Mormon influence on Capitol Hill.

Such as? And don't say Sen. Hatch. For one thing, he's a senior Senator, and those guys nearly ALWAYS have influence. For another, Hatch very often favors issues and initiatives that are NOT what mainstream Latter-Day Saints tend to favor.

In fact, among many "Mormons" who are politically-savvy, Hatch is an embarrassment.

[oremites]

Though I do not support LDS they have a right to assemble and preach their beliefs. Saying that, as a religious based organization they should focus all they're resources in that realm. That also goes for all religious organizations.

If I understand your comment correctly, then you oppose all charitable work done by religions, schools run by religions or anything not directly related to assembling and preaching beliefs?

[Illbay]

...so-called religious organization.

There it is. I thought I smelled bias here, and you've tipped your hand.

Same kind of folks who sniff at the "Jewish" media, etc.

[habaes corpussel]

"was considering posting a joke about digging up the file we have on you, but I think you would take it seriously."

I take my privacy very, very seriously. I had my identity stolen once eight years ago. It did a lot of damage. I also strongly believe that Religions and Churches need to keep focused on they're purposes in life. Not go wondering.

[Illbay]

One has to wonder why LDS even got involved in a federal program like this in the first place.

"Federal programs"? Have you been sniffing glue?

It's called "public records." The LDS have simply been collating and organizing what is out there. We do it for our own religious purposes, yes, but no favors have been given. And we've also "given back" in terms of making all this information, in its organized form, freely available.

Most people I know call this civic-mindedness. They consider it a valuable service. Only someone who is suffering from drug-induced abnormal paranoia would see anything nefarious in any of this.

[habaes corpussel]

"There it is. I thought I smelled bias here, and you've tipped your hand"

Yes I have a bias to many of these Churchanity movements. But if you notice in all my posts on this thread I am very even handed to include the rights of Mormons and noting that ALL RELIGIONS need to keep focused. Not just yours.

[Illbay]

Saying that, as a religious based organization they should focus all they're resources in that realm.

Uh-huh. Well there are "religious organizations" that focus all THEIR resources on tearing down the beliefs of others. See the Watchman Fellowship, for example. They come to your church, ask for "donations," and spend all of them ripping other faiths.

I wonder if that's okay with you. It seems like you have no problem with being DEstructive, as long as it is for the "right" purpose.

[Illbay]

NO Church has any businees being so actively involved in these two areas.

Then please write your congressman and tell him of your paranoid concerns.

Besides I think there are commerical outfits that have the Mormons out gunned.

How many of them are making this donation?

[habaes corpussel]

"It's called "public records." The LDS have simply been collating and organizing what is out there. We do it for our own religious purposes, yes, but no favors have been given. And we've also "given back" in terms of making all this information, in its organized form, freely available."

Yes public records for and from the Interior Department. What does this have to do with religion anyway? I have a problem with any Church collecting information on people who do not belong to their organization. BTW, lets not mention that this data helped the Mormon Church to perfect a database that it uses in other endeavors.

[Illbay]

What does this have to do with religion anyway?

Well, gee, we passed it by the Federal Religion Czar, and he approved it, so I guess it must be okay. Okay?

[habaes corpussel]

It does not make a difference who is making what donation. Illbay. The fact is a Church, any Church that includes the Catholic Church has no business in the law enforcement or intelligence arena's. PERIOD! That includes donating a database. Let the Mormons donate this data base to USAID, or the Peace Corps.

[Libertarian_4_eva]

This might come as a surprise to you, but it is quite likely this guy was hired because of what he's DONE, not who he knows.

You know that your talking about the federal government and chances are its because he knows someone and him being good at this type of work is always an added bonus in D.C. :)

[habaes corpussel]

"I wonder if that's okay with you. It seems like you have no problem with being DEstructive, as long as it is for the "right" purpose."

I am not being destructive. I have gone out of my way to be fair. I do not support any organization or group tearing down another like you noted. That includes your Church. Though I do not support LDS, I do support their right to assemble and believe in what they wish. This is not a debate in religious beliefs and I will not debate religion here. That will just start a stupid war with no purpose. I am noting and being homest about how I feel about a Church being involved in a law enforcement and or intelligence business.