Jesus Is Pro-Choice Says Priest

Parish Bulletin from Our Lady of Good Counsel, Plymouth Michigan ^ | August 4, 2002 | Fr. Doc Ortman

[ChuxsterS]

This priest is a moron!

God gave us free will. That does not mean that God gives us freedom to chose whatever evil, whatever depravity we wish without consequence.

He tries to draw a distinction between being “pro-choice” and being “pro-abortion.” This is sophmoric. In the modern parlance, “pro-choice” is very definitely “pro-abortion.” All the “pro-choice” groups fight tooth and nail against requiring family-planning centers to inform mothers of alternatives to abortion, or requirements for parental consent.

Even regarding “pro choice”, as he tries to, as simply an endorsement of our God-given personal liberty... murdering born children does not fall within the ambit of liberty, so how does a Catholic priest conclude that murdering unborn children does?

[weegee]

The Lord God has created all people in absolute freedom. Every action we take, each word we utter, is a matter of choice. As Catholic Christians we understand that this Awesome freedom carries with it a grave responsibility.

Does this include the "freedom" to commit murder, adultry, polytheism, theft, etc.?

Hate the sin but love the sinner. It does not mean condoning such an act.

[weegee]

1 word: SPIN

[leilani]

"Oh, I see. So as a Catholic in good standing I can favor one having the "choice" to torture small animals, never go to mass, and rob banks? The intellectual contortions of the pro-abortionists never cease to amaze me." Yeah. And maybe if these slimeball pseudo-priests can convince Catholics that it's OK to kill babies because it's convenient, it also might be OK for certain priests to commit brutally violent sexual assualts against children, too. Because, after all,according to certain "catholic priests": everything's relative, if it feels good do it, and nobody has the "right" to pass "judgement" on anybody else about anything (pass the KY).

[Redbob]

Isn't it wonderful how liberals will twist logic into a pretzel to support their views?
Apparently, even Catholic priests aren't immune to this liberal disease.
Whoops, wait a minute! I'm talking about the group that's giving pedophiles a bad name!

[ex-snook]

"Within ten years, Catholic doctrine will be virtually indistinguishable from from the Democrat Party platform. "

Give it a rest. Catholics then will have a hard time choosing between Democrats and Republicans. Aside from Monica and tax-cuts for the rich and the dead, there isn't much difference between Bush and Clinton from NAFTA, undeclared war bombing and a runaway Attorney General. I hope Buchanan runs again.

[Sally II]

Well, he certainly brings up an interesting argument. Personally, I think I'm in a minority in my belief that choice is fairly limited. I can't remember where it says this, but somewhere in the Bible it says that we are either slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness.

[Jorge]

He is quite correct. If one is forced to obey, then there is no virtue in obeying. All of life is choices.

He's confused and is totally distorting Christianity and the issue at hand.

Nowhere does the Lord say that we can make murder "a choice" because God wants people to obey out of their free will.
God says thou shalt not kill. And if you do kill there will be consequences.

[SupplySider]

By that logic, it is wrong to criticize someone for exercising his God-given free choice to do ANYTHING. My creator has given me the freedom to eat gravel or burn down a church. How intolerant of someone to object.

Did this fellow make it through divinity school with the inability to think a simple, linear thought? Or is he consciously obscuring the argument to bolster his politcal position, taken for personal reasons? I vote for the former, he's dumb, not evil.

[VetoBill]

An excerpt from The Catholic Encyclopedia Volume I

Here

It is evident that the determination of what is right or wrong in human conduct belongs to the science of ethics and the teaching of religious authority. Both of these declare the Divine law, "Thou shalt not kill". The embryonic child, as seen above, has a human soul; and therefore is a man from the time of its conception; therefore it has an equal right to its life with its mother; therefore neither the mother, nor medical practitioner, nor any human being whatever can lawfully take that life away. The State cannot give such right to the physician; for it has not itself the right to put an innocent person to death. No matter how desirable it might seem to be at times to save the life of the mother, common sense teaches and all nations accept the maxim, that "evil is never to be done that good may come of it"; or, which is the same thing, that "a good end cannot justify a bad means". Now it is an evil means to destroy the life of an innocent child. The plea cannot be made that the child is an unjust aggressor. It is simply where nature and its own parents have put it. Therefore, Natural Law forbids any attempt at destroying fetal life.

As to the penalties she inflicts upon the guilty parties, her present legislation was fixed by the Bull of Pius IX "Apostolicae Sedis". It decrees excommunication -- that is, deprivation of the Sacraments and of the Prayers of the Church in the case of any of her members, and other privations besides in the case of clergymen -- against all who seek to procure abortion, if their action produces the effect.

I bet this priest is a member of a dissident group at odds with official teachings... one of the pick and choose types.

[CDHart]

"If he was mad THEN, I wonder what he's going to do NOW?"

I read a while back that someone said "If God doesn't destroy Atlanta, Georgia, he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology." That actually referred to not only Atlanta, but to the U.S. and perhaps the world.

Carolyn

[happytobealive]

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[leilani]

"one of the pick and choose types", no question. Unfortunately, for most american RC's, that's what we've had to deal with for as long as I can remember (my Mom says it started in the 1960's). Most of the 'priests' working today are about as "Roman Catholic" as Anna Nicole Smith.They are mostly gay men going along with the program for the free room & board, sadly.Don't even TRY to ask 'em about transsubstantiation - it's so over their head, they'll get dizzy & ask for smelling salts and a Barbra Streisand tune.

[Hila]

You may will not to obey, your soul is at stake; but what is really stupid is the thought that GOD approves of what is now called pro-choice. He commands not to kill, He says that the soul that sins will eternally be in torment. He is not pro-choice,Him being soooo wise warns us. In His Word we read: I show you life and death, choose life that you may live. That is the kind of choice He desires us to do, He is not willing that we may perish (in this time frame, nor for eternity). Sad to have so-called religious figures give their extra-biblical opinions. The "church" should never endorse politicians who don't get that murdering of innocent citizens continues to place our nation in great peril!

[CyberAnt]

"He got p!ssed off and pretty much flushed the whole human race. If he was mad THEN, I wonder what he's going to do NOW"

Hmmmm? You seem to have left out the most important ingredient: Jesus. God may have been mad at us and brought the rains, which brought the flood, which brought about the new attempt with humans. However, there was one underlying problem. The sin which Adam had committed (disobedience) was still with us. All humans since Adam were born under the curse of that sin by Adam. We needed a Savior - someone willing to shed His blood to redeem us. I am ever grateful to God for being willing to be that sacrifice - and because of that sacrifice, I have been freed from the guilt of Adam's sin.

As for God being pro-choice! I don't think so - not when it comes to the life of a child. Since God created the method of creating humans in the first place, why would He now change His mind and decide it's okay to kill innocent babies before they are born. Although God does give us the choice of serving Him or not, I don't believe He's that liberal about the killing of innocent babies.

[VetoBill]

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[Enterprise]

That's why I sort of qualified it. God was Pro-choice because he chose to have man created. If that wasn't pro-choice then I don't know what is! I do not believe that God is pro choice AT ALL in the destruction of the unborn!

[happytobealive]

[Enterprise]

If you send me a picture my system didn't accept it. All I got was a fractured symbol - sorry.