Activists Push Church to Excommunicate Pro-choice Candidate

The Detroit News ^ | August 27, 2002 | Joel Kurth

[Khepera]

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[Right To Life]

Try contacting Dave Andrusko at: dha1245@juno.com

He is in charge of the national e-mail newsletter for the NRLC; also, please check out:

http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/Index.html

Sincerely,

The Right To Life

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

Prejean is a one issue drum banger on capital punishment and she misstates what John Paul II wrote in Evangelium Vitae. Try to pin her down on abortion, contraception, married priests, ordination of women or homosexuality and you'll see that she won't state a definite position, choosing instead to give ambiguous answers. However, those who have witnessed her speeches and dealt with her closely confirm that she is a big time dissenter on Church teaching. Helen is bad news and should be avoided.

[fatima]

For what?

[WaterDragon]

Good!

[Aquinasfan]

Granholm spokesman Chris DeWitt defended the pickets' rights to protest but objected to their methods, which include displaying photos of aborted fetuses.

Why? Conscience bothering you, Chris?

In July, Plymouth Township police seized graphic placards from at least three pickets. The Thomas More Law Center of Ann Arbor Township won a restraining order last month allowing the protests to continue with the displays.

Thank God for Domino's Pizza founder Thomas Monaghan.

Thanks for the ping.

[Aquinasfan]

The Cardinal's office said that there was no reason Ms. Granholm couldn’t speak to a Catholic youth group at St. Raphael Parish in Westland, as she is a “Catholic in good standing” and is not “pro-abortion per se, but [rather] does not think abortion should be illegal”.

Cardinal Maida also stated that although Ms. Granholm opposes the criminalization of first degree murder, she doesn't approve of first degree murder per se, and he sees no reason why anyone should question her "good standing" in the Church.< /sarcasm>

"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to vomit you out of my mouth."

-Jesus

[Aquinasfan]

We need to be more vocal in driving these politicians from our midst.

Boy do we, but I can't even get my own family moving. If anybody has ideas on this, I'd like to hear them.

Try leaving around some leaflets with the pictures or show them "Eclipse of Reason" or "The Hard Truth." If they complain about how difficult it is to watch, tell them that it's even harder to be disemboweled.

Then remind them about the parable of the Good Samaritan...

[Aquinasfan]

This necessarily means that I am against the sin of taking life by acts of abortion, euthanasia, and capital punishment.

Wrong again. Sheesh. I guess he's just repeating what he was taught in the seminary.

[iconoclast]

choice is in itself a blessed gift

Fr., try using actual words instead of mealy-mouthed, weasely, euphemisms and then try this phrase on for size "murder is in itself a blessed gift".

[Notwithstanding]

POC for questions: naturallaw@hotmail.com (a friend of mine)

To participate in the peaceful demonstration outside Our Lady of Good Counsel, a parish that celebrates their most high-profile member, Jennifer Granholm (pro-abortion extremist gubenatorial candidate), come in a spirit of prayer, good will, and quiet witness.

Join pro-lifers present there before or after one of the OLGC masses this weekend. The Masses are Saturday at 4 pm, Sunday at 8 am, 10 am, 12 pm, and 5 pm.

You should be there 30 minutes before any given Mass, or 45 minutes after the start of any given Mass (for example, 9:30 am or 10:45 am Sunday to convey your message to the attendees of the 10 am Mass).

If you make signs, the theme of the demonstration is the Church's teaching about abortion, what abortion really is, and that Catholics, particularly politicians like Granholm, support murder when they are "pro-choice." Thus, signs might say "The Church is Pro-Life," "Granholm's Abortion Advocacy is Not Catholic," "Pro-Choice = Abortion," etc.

OLGC is located on the Northwest corner of N. Territorial Road and Beck Road in Plymouth Michigan. Take Exit 18 off of M14 and go south on Beck Road. The first intersection is N. Territorial, and the Church is on your right.

******* Park on the outlet street by the Fire Station, off Beck Rd just North of N. Territorial!******

Then walk over to the Church. You will see people with signs. Ask for George or Lori or Diane or Cecile and tell them you're there to participate. They will tell you where to stand and in what manner.

The sidewalk and the grassy area between the sidewalk and the street are public rights of way where you can stand, but neither the street nor the sidewalk can be obstructed, nor will OLGC permit demonstrators on their property. For obstruction or trespass you risk a citation. Otherwise, peaceful demonstration on a public right of way appropriate for pedestrians is not being prosecuted.

[Notwithstanding]

More Michigan FREEP Info here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/740634/posts

[dighton]

Fr. Ortman: This necessarily means that I am against the sin of taking life by acts of abortion, euthanasia, and capital punishment.

That one fairly leapt off the page.

(#41: GMTA)

[exmarine]

Well, women who have abortions are already automatically excommunicated. I don't understand why Catholic abortion doctors and politicians who vote for partial birth abortions aren't excommunicated too?

It's probably due to the same moral corruption that allows pedophile priests to remain in the church. These are undoubtedly some courageous people who are standing up for the rights of the unborn and taking a stand against this corrupt woman -- but the catholic church leadership is not among them! Come out of her my people!!!

[Dec31,1999]

Granholm spokesman Chris DeWitt defended the pickets' rights to protest but objected to their methods, which include displaying photos of aborted fetuses.

They hate for people to see what's really going on, that's for sure.

Abortiontv.com <-----Click here.

Thanks for the ping, Happy!

[Orual]

You make a false assumption - that the "Doc" is a Catholic priest making statements in accord with the Roman Catholic religion. He is a fraud, a fake-priest who speaks double-talk. Pay no attention to what he says.

[dighton]

You make a false assumption - that the "Doc" is a Catholic priest making statements in accord with the Roman Catholic religion.

I assumed he was making things up.

[victim soul]

Good news "happy" and my awesome fellow freepers

BISHOP COMPELS PRIEST TO APOLOGIZE FOR “PRO-CHOICE” DEFENCE

Catholics Demand Detroit Cardinal Publicly Censure Pro-Abortion Catholic Candidate

PLYMOUTH, MI, August 27, 2002 (LSN.ca) - Amidst pressure from his Bishops and criticism from fellow priests, a Catholic priest who advocated abortion asked forgiveness in the bulletin of Our Lady of Good Counsel (OLGC) Parish on Sunday August 25th. "At the request of Cardinal Maida, Bishop Kevin Britt has asked that I write to allay the fears of some that I am less than Catholic in my dedication to life," began the apology from Fr. Doc Ortman, associate pastor at Our Lady of Good Counsel (OLGC) parish.

Faithful Catholics took to the streets in protest after the parish refused to recant the false teaching Fr. Ortman put forward in a previous parish bulletin which said being "pro-choice" was an authentically Catholic position. In the controversial bulletin the priest was attempting to give support to a pro-abortion politician - Jennifer Granholm - who is a member of the parish.

Meanwhile, other Catholic priests in the Archdiocese of Detroit printed condemnations of Fr. Ortman's views. Fr. Dan Zaleski of St. Albert the Great Parish in Dearborn Heights, Michigan, said in his Sunday bulletin that priests who champion the pro-choice abortion view are "dead wrong," and that Catholics who vote for a pro-choice candidate "sanction murder." In his "Sunday Column," Fr. Eduard Perrone of Assumption Grotto in Detroit expressed his desire that the Cardinal apply the "one-strike and out" policy (enacted for clergy sexual-abusers) "to such priests who dissent publicly from Catholic teaching."

Lay Catholics who had been demonstrating outside the parish welcomed the apology but are demanding that Adam Cardinal Maida of the Archdiocese of Detroit further publicly censure the pro-abortion gubernatorial candidate and OLGC parishioner. Matt Bowman, a spokesman for the group said "The lie that a Catholic can be 'pro-choice' on abortion must be clarified now so that Catholics do not vote believing Granholm is a faithful Catholic."

See LifeSite's related coverage:
CATHOLICS TAKE ACTION AFTER PRIESTS DEFEND PRO-ABORTION POLITICIAN
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/aug/02081401.html

See the bulletins on line and the contact info for the parish at:
http://www.catholicweb.com/directory.cfm?fuseaction=display_site_info&sitetype=4&site id=59371&OffAdsOnly=1

Contact information on the Archdiocese of Detroit (See Services)
http://www.archdioceseofdetroit.org/


Maybe time for a big thank you to Cardinal Maida. Thanks for keeping us posted. United we stand -- divided we fall.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/aug/02082702.html

[mware]

Cardinal Maida needs to ban her from making any political or campaign appearances at any Catholic function or entity/parish/school/soup kitchen/youth center etc. and also break his ridiculous silence on the matter

I recall when Cardinal O'Connor was alive, he refused to allow pro choice politicians and advocates from speaking in St.Patrick's.

He would not even allow himself to be seen in the same company with Bill Clinton. He had to be dead for Clinton to come into St. Pat's for his funeral mass.

He even refused to allow Clinton to be a guest at the Al Smith dinner because of vetoing the partial birth abortion ban twice.

[ArGee]

The archdiocese mostly has stayed out of the fray, except to issue a statement reaffirming its opposition to abortion after Our Lady of Good Counsel associate pastor the Rev. Doc Ortman wrote an Aug. 4 article in the church bulletin that defended Granholm's right to be pro-choice and Catholic.

I suppose you have a right to be for lower taxes and be a Democrat too, but why would you want to? If you're pro-choice, find a church that believes as you do. It's not as if there aren't any.

Granholm spokesman Chris DeWitt defended the pickets' rights to protest but objected to their methods, which include displaying photos of aborted fetuses.

Oh, good heavens to Betsy. What is the world coming to when people who want to talk about abortion show pictures of an abortion? How are we supposed to keep the conversation about women's rights and constitutional privacy and whatever else if you keep reminding us that the subject is abortion? Couldn't the placards carry pictures of rutabegas or something so we don't have to remember what the subject matter really is? I mean, come on!

Shalom.