More corrupt cops: This is your WOD, citizens

DRCNET ^ | 1/23/03 | DRCNet

[MrLeRoy]

DRCNET: A bastion of objective and otherwised non-biased news that has no agenda whatsoever, and so can be counted upon to tell all the well-sourced facts, with no spin or ulterior motives.....NOT!!!!!

So point out to us what relevant facts DRCNET left out of this story.

[Mr. Bird]

First of all, apologies for the crack remark. It was a poor attempt at a light-hearted ribbing.

I still don't agree with the notion that the existence of corrupt cops negates the argument for drug laws, or that their existence proves the futility of enforcing them.

That argument states that no human is immune to the temptations of cash; that we give up enforcing laws and arresting people who have the wherewithal to bribe a cop, for any reason.

Is the vice cop who takes a quickie from the hooker in exchange for her freedom indicative of the futility of prostitution laws? No, it's indicative that he's a corrupt son of a bitch.

You may very well be right that the war on drugs is unique in creating such great temptation. But that's not an argument against it.

[Pahuanui]

That argument states that no human is immune to the temptations of cash; that we give up enforcing laws and arresting people who have the wherewithal to bribe a cop, for any reason.

Ah, but you see that now we're getting to the crux of the biscuit: the WOD is itself entirely predicated on the notion that drugs represent a magical siren's song that no one will be able to resist; hence we'd be awash in drugs and irresponsbile/dangerous behavior if they were ever relegalized.

Of course, the fact that today our society is already awash in them, such behavior is already undertaken and they are cheaper than ever in history goes unnoticed by so many (not implying you) on the pro WOD side as to call their motivations into question, time and again.

[thepitts]

You may very well be right that the war on drugs is unique in creating such great temptation. But that's not an argument against it.

Not only is it a compelling argument against it, it is only one of a long valid list against it.

[biblewonk]

Did someone actually watch them do 460ish crimes before finally deciding it was time to bust em?

[MrLeRoy]

First of all, apologies for the crack remark. It was a poor attempt at a light-hearted ribbing.

Your joke was received poorly because many FR Drug Warriors make such charges with complete seriousness (and mind-numbing frequency).

[biblewonk]

If it ain't coke or heroin it will be BOOZE

Therefore they should all be cheap and legal and safe, just like abortion.

[MrLeRoy]

Therefore they should all be cheap and legal and safe, just like abortion.

Abortion violates a person's rights; using alcohol or other drugs does not.

[biblewonk]

Abortion violates a person's rights; using alcohol or other drugs does not.

Don't I have a right to raise my 8 kids in a peaceful, though diverse neighborhood. Legalize their crack and weed and I won't be able to let my kids ride their bicycles around the block during the majority of the hours of the week. What about my families rights?

[Pahuanui]

Answer the question.

What? Answer "Have a better idea sloth?" How about you rephrasing it so that it actually makes sense?

And as a matter of fact, I have been speaking english for only 1 1/2 years.

You don't say.

Now answer the question and how many languages do you speak?

Four, if one includes Latin, three if one doesn't. However, since the common language here is English, I fail to see the relevance of your question.

[MrLeRoy]

Don't I have a right to raise my 8 kids in a peaceful, though diverse neighborhood. Legalize their crack and weed and I won't be able to let my kids ride their bicycles around the block during the majority of the hours of the week. What about my families rights?

When drug users commit crimes, it's to get drug money; alkies don't have to commit crimes to get their next bottle because it's legal and therefore cheap. And if you're worried about drugs inducing violence, note this from the U.S. Department of Justice's National Criminal Justice Reference Service (publication NCJ 145534): "Of all psychoactive substances, alcohol is the only one whose consumption has been shown to commonly increase aggression. [...] Marijuana and opiates temporarily inhibit violent behavior [...] There is no evidence to support the claim that snorting or injecting cocaine stimulates violent behavior. [...] Anecdotal reports notwithstanding, no research evidence supports the notion that becoming high on hallucinogens, amphetamines, or PCP stimulates violent behavior in any systematic manner."

[bassmaner]

You may very well be right that the war on drugs is unique in creating such great temptation. But that's not an argument against it

See post #59.

[MEGoody]

You know, if you didn't spend your weekdays messing around on the internet, you probably wouldn't have to work weekends. LOL

[biblewonk]

When drug users commit crimes, it's to get drug money;

I'm talking about driving stupid, and acting stupid. I'm taking about porch fights and illegitimate kids and offers to sell drugs to my kids. Actually those parentless kids out there are the single most dangerous thing facing my kids. They are horrible! Go read the post about teacher's 1 year of teaching in hell. All we need is to make partying a little more fun and a little cheaper for a part of society that is already disfunctional due to partying.

[MEGoody]

"No, it's indicative that he's a corrupt son of a bitch."

Exactly, right. Just because a cop is corrupt doesn't mean we just do away with all laws (and that would be the affect of carrying their logic to its conclusion).

[MrLeRoy]

I'm talking about driving stupid, and acting stupid.

Then you must support banning alcohol, which is the #1 cause of driving stupid and acting stupid. Right?

[MrLeRoy]

DO YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT?

Stop creating and attracting corrupt cops by sending them to fight victimless "crimes."

[Pahuanui]

Here is the question again.

Now pay attention, DO YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT?

Sure, we need more corrupt cops. I thought that was clear. We need more people on the take, more false testimony, more illegitmate arrests and convictions and more people blaring out in captial letters what they should have succinctly stated the first time.

Clear now, gluttony? Or are you going to obfuscate again and feign ignorance?