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Neanderthal DNA Sequencing
Neanderthal DNA Sequencing ^ | FR Post 2-3-03 | Essays by James Q. Jacobs

Posted on 02/03/2003 1:02:30 PM PST by vannrox

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An interesting read.
1 posted on 02/03/2003 1:02:30 PM PST by vannrox
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27.1 ±12.2 substitutions from the African lineage

That's got to be a typo. +/-2.2 would be much more in-family with the other lineages. Unless African DNA is inherently more diverse than non-African, which I have to doubt.

2 posted on 02/03/2003 1:05:39 PM PST by r9etb
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What did one Neandertal man say to the other?

She's a drag!

3 posted on 02/03/2003 1:06:11 PM PST by Nitro
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Are they saying that man and neanderthal could not produce offspring?
4 posted on 02/03/2003 1:09:07 PM PST by AppyPappy (Will Code COBOL For Food)
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To: r9etb
Unless African DNA is inherently more diverse than non-African

Actually, it is; I believe there's more genetic diversity in Africa than the whole rest of the world combined. You've got a lot of odd groups there; what's left of the San Bushmen, the Pygmies, etc.

More variation between a South African and a Nigerian than between a Norwegian and a Greek....

6 posted on 02/03/2003 1:13:52 PM PST by John H K
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The authors suggest that the Neanderthals went extinct without contribution to the present mtDNA of modern humans.

Not true. My ex wife's family is still alive.

7 posted on 02/03/2003 1:14:02 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: r9etb
That's got to be a typo. +/-2.2 would be much more in-family with the other lineages.

I believe you're right. Here's some data from another study:

"We observed this in our analysis—the average pairwise differences between the Neanderthals and 300 randomly selected Africans, Mongoloids and Caucasoids were calculated to be 23.09 +/- 2.86, 23.27 +/- 4.06 and 25.45 +/- 3.27, respectively."

Molecular analysis of Neanderthal DNA from the northern Caucasus

8 posted on 02/03/2003 1:14:18 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Features
Is it true about Jackie and Neanderthal man?
David Stenhouse

04/22/2001
Sunday Times - London
News International
1GW
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(Copyright Times Newspapers Ltd, 2001)

ONLY a week after Anne Robinson was let off for pouring scorn on the Welsh, another group of oppressed Celts have come in for a pasting. Scientists at Oxford University have let rip at Scotland's most oppressed minority - the ginger. Experts at the Institute of Molecular Medicine have confirmed the views of playground bullies and declared that carrot-tops are genetic throwbacks, descended from Neanderthal man. The Neanderthals were aggressive thugs who hung about Europe 50,000 years ago. It had been assumed their genes had all died out as clever homo sapiens took over their turf. But now scientists believe that Neanderthal genes live on in those who have red hair.

About 40% of Scots have ginger genes and 10% have red hair. But though Scotland's redheads haven't necessarily inherited the sloping brows and dragging knuckles of their great great great-grandpas, the Oxford scientists maintain that the flame-haired have inherited a fiery temper and tendency to be unruly. But only a few months ago another set of scientists were explaining that ferrous follicles were a genetic gift, ensuring redheads were prized above all others. At the time a scientist declared "red hair has been a sign of beauty for generations". This must come as a consolation to redheads who have hidden their shining glory under such euphemisms as "russet", "auburn" and "flame". And what of Archie MacPherson, Jackie Bird, and Charles Kennedy, apparently peace-loving, but bedecked with Irn-Bru colouring? How will their public profile be affected by news that the heart of savage man beats within them?

9 posted on 02/03/2003 1:15:12 PM PST by Whitebread
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To: vannrox
And it is an interesting read.
10 posted on 02/03/2003 1:15:26 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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So the jist of it is that Neanderthals were not (or are much less likely to be) ancestors of modern man? Do you think that Neanderthal man will now be taken off the monkey-to-man evolution chart so as not to deceive?
11 posted on 02/03/2003 1:19:31 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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This is super cool! I got my BA in Anthro (human evolution subspercialty). The entire human tree has been rewritten in the intervening 30 years.
12 posted on 02/03/2003 1:22:26 PM PST by pabianice
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Do you think that Neanderthal man will now be taken off the monkey-to-man evolution chart so as not to deceive?

Exactly where do you think they were on the chart?

13 posted on 02/03/2003 1:24:54 PM PST by js1138
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To: vannrox
I think they got these samples from my neighbor.
14 posted on 02/03/2003 1:31:51 PM PST by brooklin
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To: pabianice
This is super cool! I got my BA in Anthro (human evolution subspercialty). The entire human tree has been rewritten in the intervening 30 years.

Serious query. Do you think it might once again be re written in the next 30 years? What are the possibilities for new discoveries?

My own thoughts are that we have only scraps of possible evidence...who knows what new technologies might reveal.

15 posted on 02/03/2003 1:33:37 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: r9etb
That's got to be a typo. +/-2.2 would be much more in-family with the other lineages. Unless African DNA is inherently more diverse than non-African, which I have to doubt.

I can't vouch for the exact number, but African DNA IS much more diverse than that of the rest of the world. Time and additional research may alter the picture, but the current thinking is that all Europe, Asia, Australia, and the New World are descended from one small group of Africans that crossed over into the Middle East and expanded explosively into the vast empty Eurasian habitat.

Another potential explanation for the diversity of African DNA is that, for much of human history, Africa simply had a much larger population and therefore more opportunity to accumulate mutations. This would suggest a center of origin at East Africa or the Middle East, where the lineages link to the rest of the planet.

Whatever the explanation, African DNA is much more diverse than the rest of the world.

16 posted on 02/03/2003 1:35:53 PM PST by Rytwyng
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"The authors suggest that the Neanderthals went extinct without contribution to the present mtDNA of modern humans."

The Bible gives a brief glimpse into the past where man existed before Adam. This tends to validate it.

17 posted on 02/03/2003 1:40:28 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Blood of Tyrants
They never were on the chart as an intermediary species. It has long been held that they were a distict branch of the same tree, like baboons to chimpanzees. The two species did exist in overlapping times.
18 posted on 02/03/2003 1:46:14 PM PST by WilliamWallace1999
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Not the case at all, just that it did not happen with enough regularity to show up on the human mtDNA pool. Mitochondrial DNA is only inherited from the mother and provides a genetic timeline for the divergence of cultures.

Horses and donkeys can breed, but they produce sterile offspring. Other interspecies breeding has also been documented.
19 posted on 02/03/2003 1:50:58 PM PST by WilliamWallace1999
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they could head over to www.democraticunderground.com for further studies into the Neanderthal type.
20 posted on 02/03/2003 2:21:28 PM PST by epluribus_2
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