Patriot Act To Be Made Permanent? (Trial balloon to gauge the public reaction?)

sierratimes ^ | 4/8/2003 | J.J. Johnson

[Dane]

Your desire to ignore that process based on a changing world illumates your liberal and socialist ideology.

Actually with Clinton taking the traditional (pre-9/11) American policy of ignoring foreign threats(not taking Bin ladin into custody when he had the chance etc.etc.), he set up the US for disaster.

The world has changed. America's new policy is to pre-emptively deal with potential threats to America. The world is not static, but we can still keep our basic freedoms and deal with the threats, unfortunately that does not work in your static unbending world, IMO.

[dljordan]

Right! When the myriad police agencies get expanded powers they never let go. They always describe these powers as "tools" and complain that they just can't do their jobs without the extra power. Do you feel safer now? I doubt it. No matter how many "tools" they get they are still bureaucracies and as such are inherently inefficient. The best and brightest don't rise to the top in these agencies only the clever and ruthless.

[dljordan]

What's the description of the "lone suspect"? White boy, likes guns, christian, not respectful of authority?

[tpaine]

The world has changed. America's new policy is to pre-emptively deal with potential threats to America. The world is not static, but we can still keep our basic freedoms and deal with the threats, IMO.
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The world has not appreciably 'changed', -- we have enemies, and we can fight our enemies, - constitutionally.

America's new unconstitutional policy of pre-emptively dealing with 'potential' threats must be stopped, as the Patriot Act power to declare 'potential enemies' is dictatorial in nature, and WILL be abused.
-- We can still keep our basic freedoms and deal with such threats without violating our own principles.

[Abundy]

Don't waste the bandwidth...Dane can't put two cogent thoughts together, let alone admit he's wrong.

[tpaine]

It was posted to 'Yall'..

Dane was just me foil.

His roll as an FR patsy should not be underestimated. I suspect that many of his stripe are tolerated here as useful dupes.

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[Freedom2specul8]

What else can we say? DO? ANYTHING?

[Dane]

Don't waste the bandwidth...Dane can't put two cogent thoughts together, let alone admit he's wrong

I always know that I have won a battle when Libertarians make snide remarks behind my back.

[Abundy]

I always know that I have won a battle when Libertarians make snide remarks behind my back.

Either your reading comprehension sucks, or like a typical liberal, you selectively address arguments made to you...conviently ignoring most of them...

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To: Dane

I'll let you in on a dirty secret...I'm not a libertarian.

I'm a true conservative Republican.

Before you retort you'd better go study your history and law so that you can actually understand what qualifies one as "conservative" and "republican"...

241 posted on 04/09/2003 4:09 PM EDT by Abundy
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Again, you better go read (and comprehend) some history and law before you call me a libertarian.

[TLBSHOW]

Paul Revere, please call your office...

The American Civil Liberties Union continues to urge Americans to help them to "Stop the new Patriot Act!" In a message to the group's Action Network Members, the ACLU says Attorney General John Ashcroft "has been secretly preparing new legislation that would significantly reduce privacy protections and essentially eliminate some of the most fundamental checks and balances on governmental power."

Referring to a leaked draft outlining potential enhancements to existing laws designed to aid in the war against terrorism, the ACLU says the program would, if enacted, "severely undermine basic constitutional rights." A free fax service to send messages to legislators on Capitol Hill has been set up on the group's Web site at ACLU.org in the "safe and free" section.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030317-092031-9772r

Bob Barr has been warning people about this and even joined the ACLU to become a insider there from the right.

[Freedom2specul8]

I did not know that about Bob Barr..wow..and to even consider utilizing the ACLU just bugs the heck out of me. We need to use some other source.. IMHO.

[TLBSHOW]

bugs me too but the Patriot Act made permanent bugs me more!

[Byron_the_Aussie]

Terrorism kit so dumb it's a winner
By Sue Lowe
April 10 2003 Sydney Morning Herald

The Australian Government's $15 million fridge magnet campaign to educate Australians about terrorism has scooped an international award as one of the most stupid security measures introduced since September 11. The competition, run by Privacy International, which is best known for its annual Big Brother awards for intrusive practices, received almost 5000 nominations from 35 countries. The Government took out the Most Egregiously Stupid Award for the kit which urged Australians to report anything suspicious while asking them to be "alert but not alarmed".

The Delta Terminal at JFK Airport in New York won the most flagrantly intrusive award for forcing a mother travelling with a four-month-old baby to drink three bottles of her own breast milk, for fear that the bottles contained explosives or chemical agents. Heathrow Airport, also picked up an award for quarantining a quantity of Gunpowder (green) tea. The tea was eventually allowed but the packaging bearing the Gunpowder labelling, was confiscated and destroyed. Another airport, Philadelphia International, received the most inexplicably stupid award for issuing a code-red hazardous materials alert that closed a hospital emergency ward and two local shops because of a bottle of suspect cologne. "There is a serious issue of respect for people's rights being eroded by stupid security measures," said Tim Dixon, a judge on the Stupid Security competition panel and a spokesman for the Australian Privacy Foundation. "Many of these measures do not make us any safer." Mr Dixon said the Australian Government-backed public education scheme stood out because of its scale, cost and its "meaningless nature".

The Attorney-General, Daryl Williams, who launched the fridge door anti-terrorism kit in February, declined to comment. Winners receive a luxury package of Gunpowder tea.

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we need to make sure he understands that the Patriot Act must never be made permanent ever.......

email, phone and fax him but good!

[MeekOneGOP]

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