'First Americans Were Australian'

BBC ^ | 6-15-2003

[blam]

"Some of those dates match with Velikovsky..."

Sorry, I can't remember his dates it was so many years ago that I read his book(s).

Professor Mike Baillie in his book Exodus To Arthur does some similar work but has a lot of supporting data that was unavailable to Velikovsky. Cosmic Winter by astronomers Clube and Napier is also very good.

Baillie said that Velikovsky's big mistake was trying to hard to explain everything.

[blam]

"I suppose they wouldn't have had to come from Australia to America, perhaps they came from elsewhere? Or does the timing preclude it?

Don't know.

I wonder how Mungo Man fits into this all?

Adam And Eve Was An Aussie Not An African

[blam]

"I suppose they wouldn't have had to come from Australia to America, perhaps they came from elsewhere? Or does the timing preclude it?

Don't know.

I wonder how Mungo Man fits into this all?

Adam And Eve Was An Aussie Not An African

[Woodman]

First the Autralian Aborigines are not Negroid decended from Africans. They are "the people" and do not even have a creationist story. They live between Dreamtime and this world. Near as I can tell they came here from somewhere else. Just ask one of them (I don't claim to be able to speak for them) that was the closest I could get to a straight answer from any when I spoke to them... Chances are we may all be releated to them in some way.

[shaggy eel]

,,, I've been waiting for a thread along these lines to appear. What a great opportunity this news presents!

[Sam Cree]

Those are interesting articles on the Australian ancient men. I get the feeling that a lot of theory, traditional or otherwise, draws conclusions that make unwarranted leaps.

The more I read some of these posts, the more I wonder how accurate traditional theory about our origins really is.

[Jim Noble]

The escaping slaves from Atlantis had to wind up somewhere...

[Verginius Rufus]

I can't follow your logic. The Australian Aborigines didn't call themselves that; that was a name bestowed on them by the Europeans who found them there. The term Aborigines had been used by the ancient Romans to mean the original inhabitants of their area...the word has nothing to do with the Greek word for mountain. The term Orient comes from the Latin oriens because it is the direction of the rising sun...the term Anatolia is applied to Asia Minor for the same reason, because it is in the direction of sunrise (Greek anatole from anatello, to rise).

[SunkenCiv]

This never went out to the list.

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[Renfield]

In suburban Maryland, just outide DC, there are lots of Mexican immigrants, and some of them look JUST LIKE the Olmec statues. The resemblance is quite striking.

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The first Americans were the men who signed the Declaration of Independence.

[freepatriot32]

knowing the bbc they probably planted the aboriginies here just so they could do a documentary about it

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[Alas Babylon!]

On the other hand, if like the Polynesians the purported Aborigines were trying to retreat from enemies they might have loaded whole families into boats and tried to find new uninhabited lands.

I've been to Australia, New Guinea, and a number of the islands that make up Melanasia. As you go farther east, the inhabitants change from very dark Melanasians (aboriginals) into lighter Polynesians. However, there is no line where it is obvious, only a gradual change in form and hue. As far as culture goes, the Polynesian culture and Melanasian culture also melds from one to another. In some cases, they are identical in such things as art, canoe types, and navigation/settlement of their islands. So it correct to say that Aboriginals not only were "like" the Polynesians, but were the Polynesians.

Did you know that the Lombok Straits between Bali and Lombok (both in the country of Indonesia) separate the Indo-Malayan realm from the Austro-Malayan realm?

Yes, you are correct! That is known as Wallace's Line, named after the British naturalist who first noticed that. There was a thread on the "Hobbit" people discovered earlier this year on Celebes (Sulawesi) earlier this year.

[Fedora]

Thanks for the ping to an old thread. One thing I find interesting about this is that migration from Australia to the Americas could plausibly take place indirectly via a northward migration towrards the Japan Current, which would result in a migratory pattern leading down the California coastline towards Latin America. Theoretically it seems direct migration via the West Wind Drift might also be possible, though I'm not sure how the logistics of that would work in terms of weather, since this route leads near Antarctic waters (but then who knows if the temperature in that region was the same then as now?).

[lepton]

The present accepted dating of the Exodus is based on the Egyptian 'Kings List', and more and more people are beginning to recognize errors in that list.

is that because it appears that the Eqyptions had a couple of extended periods of their own "Dark Ages" where there are few records - and thus missing kings?

[lepton]

Many are beginning to recognize an error in the translation of the number 40. It should mean 'many.' Notice how reaccuring the number 40 is in biblical writings?

I've heard similar things in regards to "12".

[SunkenCiv]

Great tagline.

One reason for the king list problem is that even the original (by Manetho, which exists only as copies in other ancient writers) was made very late in pharaonic times.

Another reason is that the list was itself a political document.

Still another reason is that it was based on the New Kingdom inscription (found even today in a temple of Seti, which was completed by his son, Ramses / Ramesses II), which wasn't necessarily well understood by Manetho.

Still another reason is that the inscription was also a political document.

Of course, the main reason is, the Exodus didn't take place during the New Kingdom. :')

[WoofDog123]

'The pre-European Fuegeans, who lived stone age-style lives until this century, show hybrid skull features which could have resulted from intermarrying between mongoloid and negroid peoples. Their rituals and traditions also bear some resemblance to the ancient rock art in Brazil.
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iwould assume dna studies might ofer some help in this. surprised not done already.

[WoofDog123]

"It just that the Aboriginees sailing to Brazil 12,000 years ago and wind up as a not so technological society, is a stretch. If the Olmecs, Aztecs, Incas, Mayans, Anasazi, etc. etc. are decendents of Aboriginal Australians, would it not make sense that Aboriginals be a little more sophisticated than their history suggest??? "

where on earth is anyone claiming the INDIAN civilizations you name are anything but Indian aka mongoloid?

[freedomlover]

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