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Adversaries on Gay Rights Vow State-by-State Fight
NYT ^ | July 6, 2003 | SARAH KERSHAW

Posted on 07/08/2003 11:11:14 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Congressman Billybob
Any competent banker or competent lawyer can easily tell Adam and Steve how to provide for each other in the event of the death of one -- without taking over the word and concept of "marriage."

Did I miss anything?

Good points. Another is that since homosexuals in general, and men in particular, are wildly promiscuous, the whole idea of monagamous "marriage" is only a politcal ploy for sympathy, appealing to peoples's sense of fairness and justice and sentimentality. They want nothing to do with marriage in any sense of the word. They want to change the world into a bordello that makes them feel comfortable and normal people shoved into the closet.

Meaning that we have to hire crossdressers, can't use the word "homosexual" (as in Britain), employers having to provide benefits to "partners", kids in school learning about fisting and whatnot, "Gay Pride" parades down Main St. USA, being fired if we express the wrong viewpoint about sexuality, etc.

41 posted on 07/08/2003 4:46:44 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Dilly
And also, why should two people of the same sex have to pay exorbitant lawyer fees to get just some of the benefits that an opposite sex couple can get by paying a $15 dollar marriage license fee?

Because two people of the same sex have never, in the history of civilized societies, ever been able to marry. You can take your argument and use it to cover a man marrying his mother, or his father, or daughter, or two brothers, or a gang of friends, etc.

The end of the argument is that there is an absolute unchangeable standard of wrong and right, and homosexuals and their supporters don't like that and want to shove their moral relativism down our throats. I personally have had enough and am going to fight it with every ounce of my being for the rest of my life.

42 posted on 07/08/2003 4:51:31 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Dr. Luv
There is just NO reason for this type of hateful vitriol. There is a lot of room in the tent known as conservatism and healthy dialogue is part of our movement.

I've seen Dilly's posts before and he is a total 100% homosexual supporter and gets rather unpleasant about it. There is no room in conservatism for the promotion of sexually deviant behavior. Healthy dialogue about aberrant sexual behavior means telling the truth about it, not kowtowing to homonazis.

43 posted on 07/08/2003 4:56:25 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Dilly
I'm sure you'd be very happy in any of those theocracies.

You people should read the dictionary before you use long words. A theocracy means being ruled by non-elected religious hierarchy types - mullahs, priests, etc. It does NOT mean a government whose laws are informed by traditional moral codes.

44 posted on 07/08/2003 5:01:37 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
FYI:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~dilly/

This account has been banned or suspended.

45 posted on 07/08/2003 5:25:55 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: Dilly
I give the homo marriage laws in Canada about 20 years to survive. Socialism and childless sex partners do Not mix.
46 posted on 07/08/2003 6:16:37 PM PDT by John Lenin (I submit to you that if a man hasn't discovered something he will die for, he isn't fit to live.)
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To: Dilly
In the same way you CHOOSE to be heterosexual?

More like how a kleptomaniac chooses to steal. You're not a sum of all your base and immoral desires. You don't have to act on every evil urge that enters your mind. There is still time for you. Make the most of it.
47 posted on 07/08/2003 6:45:31 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: lemondropkid56
The day the butt pirate 2% openly enter the GOP "Big Tent" is the day that 40% Christians walk out.

Sounds like a bad trade if you ask me.
48 posted on 07/08/2003 6:50:06 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Homosexuality:

Homosexuality is deviant sexual behavior and a mental illness.

Homosexuals: 1) subject their body parts to uses nature did not intend, such activities often presenting immediate risk to the participants; 2) are prone to greater suicide, depression and other mental disorders and deficiencies than the heterosexual population at large; 3) are prone to far greater sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS, than the (normal) heterosexual population; 4) molest young people (pedophilia) at a far greater rate than heterosexuals; 5) engage in degrading sexual promiscuity, oftentimes engaging in risky sex with many partners during the same event; 6) are engaged in aggressive and widespread efforts to indoctrinate our children by introducing the homosexual lifestyle using public schools as the primary indoctrination “vehicle” and likewise, through the movie/music/TV industry, with the dual goals of gaining school-age acceptance of homosexuality and encouraging sexual activity among children, especially same-sex experimentation; 7) view most everything through a mindset heavily biased in favor of the homosexual lifestyle and culture, which renders them mostly useless when asked to opine on matters that normal heterosexuals better resolve.

The mental deficiencies described herein applying to homosexuals shall not be confused with the deficiencies associated with the left wing democrat/socialist/marxist/ feminist/environmentalist minds, etc., which have their own distinct set of mental disorders.

This doesn't even touch on what the Bible has to say about homosexuality.

49 posted on 07/08/2003 6:54:10 PM PDT by Imagine
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To: Congressman Billybob
You got it in one. They could and may already live together, own property in joint tenancy together, will property to one another, appoint one another to exercise broad powers under various powers of attorney etc. Prior to the Lawrence decision they could even wantonly engage in gross and septic sexual behavior without interference 99.99999 percent of the time (the cops in Lawrence had to be conned into entering the room where the sodomy was taking place).

What they really want is for the rest of us to tell them they are okay, healthy, good, and normal despite the manifest evidence to the contrary. If they cannot persuade or deceive us into accepting that queer equivalence, they will employ the coercive power of the state to attempt to shut us up.

50 posted on 07/08/2003 7:04:51 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Dilly
In the same way you CHOOSE to be heterosexual?

Correction: you don't choose to be male or female. You are born either male or female, and sexual attraction to the opposite sex is powerful congruent natural consequence of that fact.

To engage in homosexual behavior, you must choose and act to override that powerful and congruent sexuality that is the birthright of males and females.

The fact that in most gay and lesbian relationships one partner typically adopts an aggressive "male" role and the other adopts a more passive "female" role is further evidence that the male-female complementariness is strongly in-born.

In sum, you do not "choose" to be heterosexual--it is natural and congruent consequence of male-ness and female-ness. You choose to be homosexual as an unnatural and incongruent behavior set.

51 posted on 07/08/2003 7:18:52 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: scripter
Thanks for the info - I was getting tired of having to read his (?) offensive bleating!
52 posted on 07/08/2003 7:36:16 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Kevin Curry
What they really want is for the rest of us to tell them they are okay, healthy, good, and normal despite the manifest evidence to the contrary. If they cannot persuade or deceive us into accepting that queer equivalence, they will employ the coercive power of the state to attempt to shut us up.

What I have found especially saddening (in the past, now I am starting to get righteously angry) is all the non-homosexual acting but sympathetic sheeple. Young people, old ladies (such as my late mother), people who have bought the propaganda. I talked to one young lady today at the supermarket about it. She said the usual "I don't think it's healthy or moral, but they should be allowed to do what they want in the privacy of their own homes." When I tried to prove that that isn't what they want, she got angry.

None so blind as those who don't want to see. But this message of truth has to get out - that they do not want to be left alone, they want to rule the world.

53 posted on 07/08/2003 7:42:13 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Dilly
So people don't choose to be heterosexual, they're just born that way?

It is NATURAL to BECOME a heterosexual so that is why the majority "choose" to be that--it comes down to conditioning and what you are exposed to as a young child. It is also a learned behavior, so to say.....Most male homosexuals were molested as teenagers or boys by men who recruited them for their lifestyle (see Hitler's brownshirts and their association with the youth groups in Germany--Roehm is a good example). Childhood situations can set one up to be very susceptible to that nihilistic behavior and it can be taught to one who is young and confused and has no concept of right and wrong. You especially see boys now that have no father at home who are targets for gay men. I know a man in prison, but he only got 6 years, for molesting two brothers who had "no" father and "no" religious training.

54 posted on 07/08/2003 7:52:45 PM PDT by savagesusie (Ann Coulter rules!)
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To: Emmylou
"Last time I checked, married people CHOOSE the person they want to marry. Perhaps you'd prefer the state to make your intimate decisions for you."

Apparently you forgot the sarcasm tag, but just in case you didn't, you are generally comparing apples to oranges - as the old saying goes. Your response is totally irrelevant to the discussion as making a choice of WHO of the opposite sex is not the same as the choice of WHAT sex to be attracted to.

The Phag agenda is repeatedly revealed several posts over within this thread, so I won't use Jim's bandwidth just to restate it for you. The Phags know there is no pride in being "gay" or "lesbian". Period. They know there is little chance of "straights" naturally being "proud" of the queer lifestyle, gaining their "pride" only through public apathy by intimidation or through legislation.

"Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful."

Those who kiss up and deceitfully agree it is one's "right" to be perverted are the enemy.

55 posted on 07/09/2003 5:54:29 AM PDT by azhenfud ("for every government action, there must be an equal and opposite reaction")
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To: lemondropkid56
Thanks. Now if Bush would just get the hell out of Africa (who cares about Africa) and give us our $15B back.
56 posted on 07/09/2003 5:59:47 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: ohioman
Shhh! He's over there buying us an imitation ally.
57 posted on 07/09/2003 6:21:52 AM PDT by azhenfud ("for every government action, there must be an equal and opposite reaction")
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To: ohioman
If the truth hurts..tough shiite. I am also sure that I have never accused someone of being "insuffuciently patirotic."

Nothing you've ever said about me has hurt because you're always SOOOO wrong.

As for the other, picking on a typo is a tactic of the weak minded, so it fits you perfectly. I'm sure you've never sent a message off with a typo.
58 posted on 07/09/2003 6:58:42 AM PDT by kegler4
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To: ohioman
"I would never want to be in the same tent as you or Keglar."

Keglar? Keglar? Who the heck is that?
59 posted on 07/09/2003 7:00:44 AM PDT by kegler4
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To: pram
They want nothing to do with marriage in any sense of the word.

if you're so sure, why not call their bluff?

They want to change the world into a bordello that makes them feel comfortable and normal people shoved into the closet.

yeah, that's what they want. they want to change the world into a bordello. if we do not stop them you will soon be forced to sell yourself and all of your family members as prostitutes or else be forced into hiding. it's all part of the "vast gay agenda."

60 posted on 07/09/2003 7:49:09 AM PDT by jethropalerobber
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