IRS vs. KUGLIN

The Sierra Times ^ | Carl F. Worden

[sinkspur]

She doesn't "owe the taxes;" it is undetermined.

She's not going to jail for evasion, but she still owes the taxes.

[jwh_Denver]

I think it's time for everyone reading this to send a very polite letter to the IRS, telling them they read about the case in Memphis, and is it true that there is no section in the U.S. Tax Code that requires an individual citizen to pay federal income taxes?

How effing stupid can you get? Sending a letter to the IRS is waving an "audit" flag in front of them.

[lainie]

In your opinion, perhaps; in the IRS's opinion, definately. :)

[lvmyfrdm]

The government could not produce a law, that made her "liable" to pay the tax. If they collect the tax from her it would have to be without a law on the books that allow them to do it. I am not talking about a criminal liability but a "tax" liability.

[lvmyfrdm]

They will. And there isn't a court in the world that can stop them

IRS is Lawless

[sinkspur]

The government could not produce a law, that made her "liable" to pay the tax. If they collect the tax from her it would have to be without a law on the books that allow them to do it.

Nonsense. The 16th Amendment allows for the collection of an income tax, and that collection has been upheld by every court decision since its passage.

[lvmyfrdm]

I think it's time for everyone reading this to send a very polite letter to the IRS, telling them they read about the case in Memphis, and is it true that there is no section in the U.S. Tax Code that requires an individual citizen to pay federal income taxes?

Yes these is, but only certain people, on certain income, Income that is truely "income" a gain. NOT everyone.

[agrandis]

Glad to see y'all are seeing Hannity for the brain-dead, collectivist, empty suit, Yankee he is.

[lainie]

How effing stupid can you get? Sending a letter to the IRS is waving an "audit" flag in front of them.

They just won't answer you either. Sean Hannity, journalist, could ask on your behalf, but he thinks you should just shut up and pay your fair share, too.

[lainie]

It has taken a few days to sink in, I'll be honest. As I heard earlier on the radio, oh he of the thousand-dollar suit, grilling this non-TV-personality woman who is standing up for what she believes, really showed his true colors.

[lvmyfrdm]

Nonsense. The 16th Amendment allows for the collection of an income tax, and that collection has been upheld by every court decision since its passage.

Income is taxable, provided it is truely "income" and derived from a taxable activity.



Congress has not changed the meaning of "income" since the 16th amendment was written, and the Supreme court has said that the word "income" has the same meaning as it did in 1909 Corporate Income Tax. This word can not be redefined without an act of congress.

Maybe you should go and read what 16th amendment "income" is before you assume you know what the word "income" means.
You know the meaning the dictionary gives it, what matters is the meaning the law gives it.

Income Subject to Taxation
Corporate Dividends: When Taxable
Corporate Earnings: When Taxable
Gains: When Taxable
Income from Illicit Transactions
Deductions and Exemptions
Diminution of Loss

http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/constitution/amendment16/

[lainie]

Ahh. This is so refreshing.

It means what they say it means.

[yooper]

Well, I suppose I'll be flamed for this, but I believe that all citizens of this country should pay the necessary amount of income tax to fund two things; the National defense and the National transportation infrastructure. I don't believe those two items constitute anywhere near 25% of my income though.

[yooper]

"She's not going to jail for evasion, but she still owes the taxes."

Since she's not going to jail for evasion, what would stop her from further evasion? She refused to pay before; do you think this verdict will convince her to pay now?

[lvmyfrdm]

Wonder how many people will even question such a statement right from the IRS website.

To determine if you need to file a Federal Income Tax return for 2002 answer the following questions:

Occasionally, individuals have one-time or infrequent financial transactions that may require them to file a Federal Income Tax return.

Do any of the following examples apply to you?

Did you have Federal taxes withheld from your pension and wages for this tax year and wish to get a refund back?

Are you entitled to the Earned Income Tax Credit or did you receive Advance Earned Income Credit for this tax year?

Were you self-employed with earnings of more than $400.00? Did you sell your home?

Will you owe any special tax on a qualified retirement plan (including an individual retirement account (IRA) or medical savings account (MSA) ? You may owe tax if you:

Received an early distribution from a qualified plan Made excess contributions to your IRA or MSA

Hello

Occasionally, individuals have one-time or infrequent financial transactions that may require them to file a Federal Income Tax return.

[lainie]

If she enters into taxpayer status she'll pay the taxes she owes. That's my guess.

[templar]

The problem with a "win" of this type is that a jury decision only applies to the case at hand. It sets no precedent for use in other cases (it does not rule on the law itself, and does not establish 'case law' to cite in other trials). It may show a trial procedure that can be used in other cases to get aquittals for those who study the trial. If a trend of aquittals develops, it can end up changing the laws themselves on the legislative level (as it did with prohibition and, in some areas, marujuana).

[templar]

She refused to pay before; do you think this verdict will convince her to pay now?

More than likely, the IRS will just seize everything she owns for the rest of her life. Property, bank accounts, jewelry, vehicles, just about anything that is cash or that can be sold at auction. I don't know if bankruptcy can eliminate an IRS tax judgment ... anyone?

[Kevin Curry]

They charged her with a "crime" but couldn't/didn't produce an actual broken law. She said show me where I'm liable for this code and they said pay or go to jail.

Round two will be a civil enforcement proceeding. By the time she's done with that one she will have paid several times as much in attorney fees as the taxes she avoided.

Then next year, they'll come after her again criminally and civilally.

This acquittal was a fluke. She cannot consistently win acquittals in tax evasion prosecutions. The only way to win these things is in the legislature by changing the law.

[Kevin Curry]

I don't know if bankruptcy can eliminate an IRS tax judgment ... anyone?

It cannot.

But the IRS really isn't the bad guy. Congress created both the tax code and the IRS to enforce it. Congress loves having the IRS as enforcer because it knows that citizens tend to focus their anger on the IRS--not Congress.