Hotels Across the U.S. Going Smoke-Free

earthlink news ^ | 9-18-03

[hoosierskypilot]

your "plan" is a bit over the edge

Shirley you recognize hyperbole, don't you?

[hoosierskypilot]

BTW, did you actually read the article? Nobody required these hotels to go non smoking. It was the marketplace. Therefore your allusions to dictatorial interference don't apply.

(But man, if only I could be dictator, huh?)

[Protagoras]

You really didnt read my posts,,I have pointed that out. It was you who was so happy about the loss of property rights to the smoking thugs. You want to dictate how a man can run his business on his own property. At gun point if necessary. The hotels are doing it the right way. Cowards and fascists do it your way.

[hoosierskypilot]

You're rambling. You need to take a break, take a valium, or whatever you do.

Keep telling yourself, "Those voices I hear are the kid's radio. No one is out to get me."

[hoosierskypilot]

BTW, I think you meant anti-smoking thugs.

[Peace will be here soon]

"However, second hand smoke as a health issue,....., has also been thoroughly debunked as fraud.

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Oh, really.... It is the amount of exposure that is the issue in dispute. And the studies are still on-going. The studies you obviously are refering to are on subjects who have "periodic exposure" to second hand smoke, which is not as harmfull as some have previously claimed, if at all. But second hand smoke has been documented to be harmfull to many, like those stuck in homes with cronic smokers, employees stuck in constant contact with smokers (hmm.. that is less of an issue nowadays), people with respiratory problems being exposed , etc.... It is the levels of exposure that can be harmfull that are in dispute. As for the other comments..... well, I will hold my breath.

[Protagoras]

You can call names and change the subject all you want but it isn't fooling anyone.

If you want to start to talk that trash in earnest let me know, I can fling mud with the best of them.

The truth is, you are a fascist because you advocate fascism. You are a cowardly slimeball hiding behind government force. If you had the balls you would walk into the resturant and tell the owner that you were there to force him to stop allowing smoking on his property. But that of course would get a laugh first, and then result in a trip to the hospital if you persisted.

So instead, like the coward you truly are, you call on the likes of Richie Daley and Bloomberg to send in the armed thugs for you. Hard to imagine anyone so cowardly that they will hide behind Bloomberg's skirts.

[Dec31,1999]

Then you would agree that there should be health care policies that exclude childbirth care. It's really expensive, and why should you have to pay for it? :)

[Wolfie]

Here comes the call for government guns to force people to run their business as YOU see fit.

Hey, it's the American Way.

[Protagoras]

Read on, the same genius, after running out of things to say (didn't take long) started to say I was paranoid. Hard to say about what.

[Wolfie]

My point is that we long ago ceded these kinds of decisions to the government, what with things like the Drug War and all. The ball's in play, no sense whining when someone else decides to take a swing at it.

[Ditter]

Late one night in Michigan, I stood at the end of a line of 5 people waiting to check out the last room at the hotel. It was a smoking room. The other 4 people declined the room & it was my turn to check it out. I hate smokey smelling rooms but it was so late & cold & I was so tired, that I figured I would take it. Stepping into the room was all it took to gag me. There was no way ANYONE, even a smoker would take it. We finally found a room, at a mom & pop motel but it didn't stink. I can understand this decision by the hotel industry. That stinky room needed new everything, carpet, drapes, bedspreads, paint etc. to make it useable again.

[Protagoras]

The ball's in play, no sense whining when someone else decides to take a swing at it.

I'm not whining. I'm fighting back. And I never ceded anything. You can surrender if you please.

Please remember the whining comment next time you post to WOD thread. You may want to reconcider.

[Protagoras]

I think they made the right decision. On their own. Without government guns pointed at them.

[Old Professer]

Those same gases, with the notable exception of nicotine, are in the kitchen smoke in every restaurant where meat is broiled; stinking shame.

[HamiltonJay]

Oh please, these are commercial entities making decisions of their own accord, not being forced to do so by government mandate.... they get more business and make more money by being smoke free... you don't like it, don't rent a room there.

Fact is, I don't rent to smokers either, Government limits how much of a security deposit I can take, and smokers always cost me more when they move out to get their unit ready for next tenant.

Smoke all you want, but doesn't mean everyone in the world, has to say sure, you can do it in/on my property.

[Old Professer]

You must be quite a high-roller to spend $120.00 a day on hotels every day of the year.

Hell, man, check your rear - it's probably smoking.

[Old Professer]

Those of you who become apoplectic at the sight of a cigarette never cease to amaze me in your zealous championing of the creation of smoke-free areas where likely you would have never set foot when smoking was practiced.

Do these places hold a special charm for you or are you just determined to order the world to your liking?

[Wolfie]

Oops...didn't mean that as a personal attack, just a comment on the general sense that Americans seem to have a blind spot regarding slippery slopes. My apologies.

[Old Professer]

Your statistics are terribly flawed; most of the maintenance costs are expended on the elderly, cancer patients of all types and the worried-well.

Even the CDC allows that fewer than 500,000 so-called premature deaths are attributable in some way to smoking and not to nicotine itself.

Smoking in public is a very rude thing to do; being snotty in public can get you an amateur rhinoplasty.