Posted on 07/05/2004 11:42:07 AM PDT by Polycarp IV
This seems to be a case of necessity rather than convenience. Am I reading this right?
Sounds good.
Perhaps. But there is no necessity to consume the Eucharist daily, especially if it would mean sacrilege towards the Eucharist.
The early Church never used the term "Real Presence."
Yes much can happen in two generations. I just look at todays seminarians, given a chance, many would retore tradition, and the old gaurd, ironically they are the progressives, wont dominate the chancery offices for all that much longer, as the "sisters" who have high positions in chancery offices are largely in their late 60s and 70s.
As with allways in this forum, it is best not to feed TROLLS.
Whoa, gotta ask a question.
Do you believe that it is the body and blood of Christ or not?
"Self-styled 'traditionalists' are almost superstitious in their notions about what does and does not constitute reverence and what is and is not sacrilegious"
This mischaracterizes the issue. It is completely dishonest to suggest that reverence is a matter of opinion only, that one style of receiving is as good as any other. If you connect the dots you will see there is a theological perspective underlying the change that is far from Catholic, that it is being surreptitiously imposed under the guise of a mere stylistic change. There has been a concerted effort to undermine belief in the Real Presence or in any way to call attention to the Presence of Christ in His propitiatory sacrificial Victimhood. The new emphasis is on Christ's virtual presence only--in the congregation. Even the tabernacle has been removed from the santuary, lest we be distracted from this focus on ourselves as the redeemed offering thanksgiving only.
"Latin Rite Catholics attending Novus Ordo Masses do have an option and are free to exercise it."
Unless the priest or the DRE deems otherwise.
If you have something to say, be man enough to say it to the person you're referring to.
I don't attribute the nefarious motives to the Church, only to apostates who inhabit the higher realms of Vatican City--men like Bugnini.
Of course I do. But the Church did not use the term "Real Presence."
OK whew. Carry on.
Then confront the priest or the DRE. They have no right to confine the reception of the Eucharist to one manner only, whether on the tongue or in the hand.
The GIRM is quite clear on this.
santuary=sanctuary
This is your fantasy, UR, and you think by repeating it here some gullible lurkers will believe it. they won't.
Even the tabernacle has been removed from the santuary, lest we be distracted from this focus on ourselves as the redeemed offering thanksgiving only.
Where it has been removed from the main sanctuary, the tabernacle has, in most cases, been given prominence in its own private chapel, for adoration. But, to you, this somehow constitutes a dimunition of the Real Presence.
"Good grief! UR, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel to attribute to the Church nefarious motives. It's simply impossible to take you seriously."
In other words, you have no real argument.
Ok, while I usually do not acknowlege your "presence", and voewd not to respond to your posts, between you and ultima radio, the forums becomes a nothing but a P***ing match, with both of you intentionally trying to at least from what I have seen start horrid flame wars in very childish debates. This is the last I will say about this, I wont respond to any more of your posts period.
Because the Congregation on the Liturgy uses the term "bread" instead of "Real Presence", you take that to mean they've lost belief in Christ's Eucharistic Body.
And you do it with a straight face.
I and other parishioners have confronted the pastor on many GIRM issues ad nauseam. Ditto the bishop. Might as well talk to the wall or throw the letters directly into the trash.
Other posters on this site have had the same experience.
The term "Real Presence" is short-hand for Transubstantiation by which bread and wine becomes literally the Body and Blood of Jesus, exactly as was believed by the ancients:
"For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus." --St. Justin Martyr
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