Bishop Takes Queen

Riverfront Times ^ | August 25, 2004 | Malcolm Gay

[ninenot]

TTGC is ready to assist, any time, any place.

[ninenot]

Is the balance to homosexual priests transgendered nuns?

Nope.

It's the butch nuns--you know, Chittister.

[ninenot]

Rembert Weakland built a $25MM shrine to himself when he "renovated" the Cathedral and added a very, ah, pink glass-enclosed garden walkway.

Rembert also spent $900K remodeling his 1800-square-foot residence; this included Coryan counters and a very nice 2-seater hot-tub.

Just where were the complaints from Fort Worth?

[sinkspur]

Accepting vows from a transgendered person is laudable, I guess.

It's strange, AFAIC.

[ninenot]

At the very minimum, you presume the innocence of the Bishop until otherwise is shown, and I happen to agree with that predicate, even though I think that Bishop is a scumbucket--and he's merely meeting his mirror-image in the lawyer.

To repeat: do you know with MORAL CERTAINTY that the claims made in this article about the nun are true?

[sinkspur]

Just where were the complaints from Fort Worth?

They'd have been there if I had known about it.

These are both (LaCrosse and Milwaukee) just smaller versions of the Taj Mahoney, the single most egregious example of excess in the history of the US church.

[GirlShortstop]

My original post was in reference to the disobedience of the priest to his bishop who left Archbishop Burke's diocese due to a conflict with his conscience (see Post 1).

Actually, it reads to me like he may have done the "stand up thing"... if he couldn't, or wouldn't adhere to his VOW of OBEDIENCE, he should go.  Your parallel appears quite flawed.

The reliability of which is based on priests of Burke's previous diocese, as I quoted in Post 1, which also names one of the priests.

OK, and the fact remains that you used a flaky source... see above picture above with their links. Perhaps we are in agreement here?

I wasn't sure if it was "legal"...    ???

None of my postings on this thread have related to homosexuality or sexual perversion, nor was it the topic I originally addressed.

uhhhhh... a yeoman's task considering the source?

The "different tale" was in reference to how priests and laymen view their superiors or those who have authority over them...

Those "views" you chose to use are selected for publication in a gay/progressive rag; facts ought to be gleaned from better sources on your quest to tell "a different tale" about the good Archbishop Burke.  

I am trying to illustrate that Archbishop Burke is one that often gets labeled as "traditional" or "arch-conservative" when stories such as this tell a different tale

I fail to see where you've been clear corpus about the following:   

• where/how you addressed my comments in post 14 about thread choices
• what your illustration is/was, and the purpose of it.

But it's just as well... I'm comfortable with

[Pyro7480]

To repeat: do you know with MORAL CERTAINTY that the claims made in this article about the nun are true?

A question worth answering, in my opinion. If true, the traditionalists that I know wouldn't be supporting him, and they would probably know.

[GirlShortstop]

Oops... sorry that I hit 'post' before I finished html review....

I'm comfortable with my post from the get-go... this [thread] is crap, reads like it's right out of the National Enquirer... and makes absolutely no sense..... Pretty pathetic and lame attempt at a smear.

FReegards.

[GirlShortstop]

Concerned Catholics ping!
I'm off ping lists for now; thank you Pyro.
a bump is a bump  :-)

[sinkspur]

To repeat: do you know with MORAL CERTAINTY that the claims made in this article about the nun are true?

Mary Therese Helmueller is quoted as having objected about the transgendered nun to the Papal Nuncio.

That would be the same Mary Therese Helmueller who asked Burke to be spiritual director on a pilgrimage to the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico city, documented here.

[Pyro7480]

I will take you off my ping list, if you so desire.

[Pyro7480]

Could the following be the reason why the sodomites are going after Burke?

From http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1186232/posts:It is important to note that not only does the canonical discipline Canon .915 include the estimated 500 so-called 'Catholic' pro-abortion politicians (Democrat as well as Republican) in the U.S., but it also includes other manifest, obstinate, persistent sinners.

A short list of such sinners would include homosexual couples approaching the Eucharist arm-in-arm or with sodomite, rainbow banners over their shoulders, as well as those divorced and 'remarried' without benefit of annulment. [11]

Also, included would be employees of abortion mills and Planned Parenthood, Mafia figures, drug lords, notorious criminals, couples living openly in fornication or adultery (this is certainly not an exhaustive list of manifest sinners).

Earlier, Archbishop Burke said, "So serious is the moral obligation to avoid scandal that we are admonished not only not to do wrong but also not to appear to do wrong. When a person acts, he or she must always consider the appearance of the act to be done." [12]

Footnotes: 11. "Declaration by the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts," June 24, 2000, by Cardinal Julián Herranz, President; Cf. Apostolic Constitution 'Familiaris consortio,' the Letter 'Annus internationalis familiæ,' 'Ecclesia de Eucharistia,' and Redemptionis sacramentum,' for those teachings regarding irregular marriages.

12. 'The Catholic Response to Scandal,' by Archbishop Raymond Burke, address given at the Milwaukee Wanderer Forum, December 6-7, 2002.

[sinkspur]

How does that address the facts in the article? Either they're true or they're not.

Anything else is fluff.

[Pyro7480]

Facts? Are they true? You have yet to prove they are.

[sinkspur]

You have to prove them false. They're out there. I gave you something in #51 that proves that Mary Therese Helmueller was close to Burke, but likely disagreed with his acceptance of vows from a transgender, and wrote a letter to the Nuncio over it.

I don't have to prove something true. If you don't believe it, knock it down.

[Pyro7480]

"He brought in any number of people -- hermits we called them, or consecrated virgins and religious orders of one and two and three people," says the priest who requested anonymity. "They were just -- forgive me for saying so -- but to most of us they were wackos. They're just psychologically not well equipped, and he brought these people in because theologically they agree with him."

We've heard of this before. Diocesan boards all over the country said the same of orthodox candidates to the priesthood, while rubber stamping the future members of the homosexual Mafia in the priesthood. This whole article is a farce.

[Pyro7480]

See #57.

[sinkspur]

This whole article is a farce.

So, knock down the transgendered nun. Do you deny that Mary Therese Helmueller wrote the Nuncio, who forwarded the letter to Burke, who then commented on it?

[Pyro7480]

I see why you are holding fast to this point. I just did a search on Google using "Burke" and "Mary Therese Helmueller," and lo and behold, the first hit I get is a story from the National Catholic Reporter, which many know is your favorite publication.