Posted on 07/15/2007 4:28:25 PM PDT by Salvation
Raymond Arroyo’s book about Mother Angelica goes into detail about the fight. It’s very enlightening.
The straight seminarians don't tolerate it -- they leave! Or they're forced out -- the seminaries that tolerate homosexuality don't much tolerate orthodoxy, which they call "rigidity."
Our Archdiocese has at least two married priests who converted from Anglicanism to Catholicism and grandfathered in, so there are some married priests among the celebate ones in the Catholic Church.
I think it’s funny too! Sad, but funny!
I think that in some parishes/dioceses the influence of the liberal Church hierarchy and their lack of proper teaching has been going on for generations of the laity — they don’t know much about the Catholic faith much less what the word “rubrics” means. I’ve also noticed that areas of the country that never had a large Catholic population are not as well educated about the faith than areas that have had a large Catholic population for a long period of time. I don’t mean the laity from the long-time Catholic bastions follow the faith any better, they just seem to know it better, from my experience.
I think the problem of the laity not rising up to correct the situation is just that most of them, at least in my area, really don’t know any better because the Bishops didn’t/don’t teach.
Freegards
“What a great relief that must have been to you to find out that this priest had broken his vows of chastity. Whew, as long as it was with a woman, that made it o.k.!”
Here’s the last sentence of my story:
“That’s what the Bishops have done to us — instead of being sad that this priest broke his vow, I was happy that he wasn’t a fag and was messin’ around with an adult.”
I really thought that after the Bishop said “inapropriate sexual relations with” the next words were going to be “a teenage boy”. All indications pointed to this priest being a fag. If the priest broke his vow and “relations” happened, I am glad they were just a sin, not an abomination too. I even thought it was a little funny, in a ridiculous way, that I almost cheered that these sexual relations were with a woman. Maybe you had to be there and have observed this priest.
Freegards
Hey, I’m not saying there is anything wrong with the discipline of celibacy. I know pederast priests are a problem of liberality. But it wouldn’t break my heart if the Church started allowing married priests as well as celibate. I think that sometimes straight priests kept their profile low when it came to calling attention to the dark corners of seminaries. I was just thinking that maybe seminarians with families would shine the light in them dark corners.
Freegards
Yeah, that idiotic statement leapt out at me as well.
These “victims” weren’t a bunch of grown women, they were children, and mostly boys.
It’s a homosexual issue, but Mahony is too PC to point that out in his apology!
No, that’s not what I was saying.
Are you referring to this book and of of these threads?
“of of” = “one of”
Gee, do you think it's too much to keep the fags out of the seminary? In 1975, when I was 12, my parochial school took all of us guys on a "field trip" to the local seminary on "Vocation Day." Even as a naive Catholic kid, I knew a Pink Palace when I saw one.
Get your head out of the sand. Homos are pervasive in The Church. Hell, it's paradise for them. Time to clean it up with REAL men. Family men.
This is pure Church-bashing on your part. Your single visit to a single seminary is hardly proof that there is some widespread problem of homosexuality in the seminaries or in the clergy. But the worse thing of all is your claim that only married men are “real” men, that only homosexuals could possibly forsake marriage. Well, Christ never married. He remained chaste for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. (And this is one of the major reasons that the Church requires priests to be celibate.) Does this mean that Christ wasn’t a real man?
You must really hate the Church and its priesthood to be willing to infer this.
Well, that and that expensive task of supporting an itinerant minister and a wife who doesn't even REALLY DO anything was prohibitive in the early days of the church. But, yes, Jesus, too.
It would be like saying your whole congregation is wrong, because you have someone addicted to alcoholism or pornography in it."
The problem is that Cardinal Mahony is still one of the highest ranking leaders of the Catholic church. This despite what happened with now deported pedophile Rev. Oliver O'Grady in my hometown of San Andreas, CA...O'Grady was shuffled off to San Andreas by Mahony to get him "out of the way". Fortuantely, I was a Protestant in my youth, and did not have to deal with the advances of Rev. O'Grady.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/27/griffin.priestabuse/
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ma-bos/settlements/SettlementStocktonOGrady.html
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