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Calvinism and Evangelism
Coffee Swirls ^ | 06 Feb 2007 | Doug McHone

Posted on 08/21/2008 1:45:32 PM PDT by Gamecock

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1 posted on 08/21/2008 1:45:33 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...
GRPL Ping

We, of all Christians, should approach evangelism with the confidence of the efficacy of the Gospel.

2 posted on 08/21/2008 1:51:59 PM PDT by Gamecock (The truth of Christianity does not hinge on my personal experience.)
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I will go with John Wesley on this subject.

“Answer all [the Calvinists’] objections, as occasion offers, both in public and private. But take care to do this with all possible sweetness both of look and of accent...Make it a matter of constant and earnest prayer, that God would stop the plague.”


3 posted on 08/21/2008 1:54:12 PM PDT by Patrick1
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that God would stop the plague

Interesting thought coming from an Arminian.

4 posted on 08/21/2008 1:57:49 PM PDT by Gamecock (The truth of Christianity does not hinge on my personal experience.)
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I consider Wesley more of a Methodist who believes that God loves everyone and doesn’t treat his creation as no better than ants.


5 posted on 08/21/2008 1:59:23 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Gamecock
In Orson Scott Card's book, Speaker For The Dead, there is a planet that Andrew Wiggin visits entirely populated by Calvinists...
6 posted on 08/21/2008 2:02:37 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: Patrick1
I consider Wesley more of a Methodist

But still an Arminian who believed God is sitting in Heaven wringing His hands hoping that some will choose Christ, but not daring to intervene.

Now I know that Arminians will deny that caricature, but the end result is the same.

7 posted on 08/21/2008 2:03:49 PM PDT by Gamecock (The truth of Christianity does not hinge on my personal experience.)
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To: Gamecock

awesome post


8 posted on 08/21/2008 2:03:51 PM PDT by isaiah55version11_0 (For His Glory)
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To: Gamecock
. . .a narcissistic message. . .

Narcissistic? Hmmm. . .so Calvinists never say that God loves anyone? Then pray tell, how in the world do they share the gospel? Do they avoid verses such as John 3:16 that speak of God's love?

I just don't see how anyone can evangelize without mentioning God's love.

9 posted on 08/21/2008 2:06:05 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: Gamecock

Wesleyians don’t believe God is sitting back and waiting. But God is active making himself available to all.

If God has already chosen then why did Christ die for the world’s salvation? Seems a little bit of a waste of time.


10 posted on 08/21/2008 2:06:42 PM PDT by Patrick1
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But still an Arminian who believed God is sitting in Heaven wringing His hands hoping that some will choose Christ, but not daring to intervene.

Sounds familiar.... The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. (Luke 18:11)

And I think he was probably really glad he wasn't like one of those evil Arminians.....

Tell you what, FRiend -- a man who can talk as ugly as you can about a fellow Christian has no business posting self-righteous screeds about evangelism.

11 posted on 08/21/2008 2:09:06 PM PDT by r9etb
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What do you do? You despair of even making a dent for the gospel, let alone sparking a revival!

How can you have a revival when there has never been an establishment of said items in the first place?

Furthermore, why is the aforementioned completely inexperienced, still-wet-behind-the-ears given such a daunting missionary assignment, and apparently by all by himself? Is it some sort of test re: his dedication? Why would not a more experienced missionary be given this assignment, or at least accompany the newbie?

12 posted on 08/21/2008 2:09:58 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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If you are a Calvinist you need no training or support. God has already decided. The Calvinist missionaries main job seems to be to drive around the countryside and yell JESUS!

God did the rest eons ago.


13 posted on 08/21/2008 2:14:09 PM PDT by Patrick1
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I am a methodist elder and Wesley was wrong to call calvinism a plague. He acknowledged as much in his final reconciliation with George Whitfield.

Wesley and other remonstrants really hadn’t considered the implications of absolute foreknowledge, and arminians still do not. I believe they’ve misunderstood Arminius. Perhaps Arminius misunderstood the implications of absolute foreknowledge.


14 posted on 08/21/2008 2:21:14 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Patrick1
LOL! Oh...okay...thanks for the heads up. I guess you do learn something new every day...

15 posted on 08/21/2008 2:21:21 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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You can't argue that Wesley didn't believe Calvinism to be wrong theologically? Again, I tend to agree with Wesley that a God of Love can't be a Calvinist. Because any God that picks and chooses who lives and who dies is not a God deserving of worship.
16 posted on 08/21/2008 2:33:03 PM PDT by Patrick1
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1. Does God know everything?

2. I cannot argue that Wesley believed Calvinism to be right theologically, but he came to believe that his friend, George Whitfield, was not a plague. In fact, he considered Whitfield to be a blessing.


17 posted on 08/21/2008 2:37:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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I agree. Calvinists are Christians no problem there. Yes God knows everything but He has made a creation designed to worship Him and a creation designed for God to live in. But also he gave that creation a free will by which it can decide as Adam and Eve did if it wants to be God or allow God to be God.

As with so many things why He did this will have remain a mystery. Just as it is a mystery to me why Christ had to die for the sins of people God has already selected for eternal worship.

18 posted on 08/21/2008 2:41:47 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Patrick1

Before creation did God know that you would accept Christ and be saved?

Before creation did He know that Aldous Huxley would not accept Christ and be damned?


19 posted on 08/21/2008 2:43:52 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: MEGoody

Narcissistic? Hmmm. . .so Calvinists never say that God loves anyone? Then pray tell, how in the world do they share the gospel? Do they avoid verses such as John 3:16 that speak of God’s love?

I just don’t see how anyone can evangelize without mentioning God’s love.

you betcha. They avoid John 3:16 or say that world doesn’t exactly mean everyone.


20 posted on 08/21/2008 2:59:10 PM PDT by CAPTAINSUPERMARVELMAN
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