Posted on 03/11/2009 1:11:11 AM PDT by Cronos
If she was reformed, she had to have been a Catholic prior to that, correct???
She should have held on for Obama's infrastructure stimulus.
could you cite a source please ? - thats unlike any calvinism Ive heard...instead it sounds like that clap trap from Osteen
See my second post on this thread... maybe I articulated it to simplicistic, but I derive it from Max Weber’s book.
So everyone who’s reformed is a former Catholic?
Seriously, my joke (and it was at first unintentional) at least contrasts being unrepentant with being “reformed.” You’re just acting belligerent. Go away now.
Good synopsis. And since early Calvinism frowned on luxurious living, you could do two things with this wealth: give it to charity, and in so doing likely support the shiftless or the ungodly who are suffering the deserved fruit of their sinfulness, or you can endlessly reinvest your wealth and endow your posterity.
That makes a lot of sense. Such things may initially appeal to people or get them to ask more questions about a faith.
>> This mindset may be a reason why the Puritan colonies quickly thrived while government run colonies and colonies filled with “get rich quick” schemers struggled. <<
Or it may be that England’s seaborne terrorism would put any modern Islamofascist to shame.
For instance, Panama City was once the center of the gold trade. The British got into their heads that there had to be a lot of gold there. It seems that there wasn’t; the gold just passed through there. So when they raided the city, they couldn’t believe there wasn’t much gold. They tortured to death every man woman and child; 10,000 victims in all. Little boys were strung up by their testicles; four year old girls were flayed alive. And Captain Morgan became a legend to the British... and yet his exploits have vanished from history
What has become our history was mostly British propaganda. Today, most Americans haven’t even heard of some of the great European empires; if they didn’t fight a war for or against Britain, they simply didn’t exist. And so the Lithuanian Empire, which dominated central and Eastern Europe and protected the Western world from an incredible onslaught of the Islamic horde in the 16th century is forgotten. Heck, most people don’t even realize that the Reformation happened while Muslim armies were streaming across Europe.
Meanwhile, the British sacrificed nothing for Christianity, becoming wealthy and militarily dominant while the Spanish, Austrians, Lithuanians and Italians were tied up saving civilization.
To return to the original commentary of the post....
He’s dead. She’s dead. Who cares.
Do we now have eminent domain for graves? Please.
“Symbolism over substance”
Very Clinton-esque
Yes! I had been reading much lately of Lepanto, Vienna, etc.; I’m embarrassed I forgot to make mention of Britain’s treachery against EASTERN Christianity.
(France, of course, treacherous France fought alongside the Muslims and the Protestants, just like she did in the 30 years’ war.)
Wow. Now THERE’s a leap of logic!
I know the British did some awful things to other colonies (Francis Drake). So did the French and Spanish (ask Pedro Menendez what happened to the Ft Caroline settlers).
My point is to compare Plymouth (Puritan settlers) to Jamestown (tobacco growers) to St Augustine (military outpost). The people who lived in St Augustine never bothered to plant crops or fish. They just depended on supplies from Spain to stay alive. When those supplies were late, they starved. Historians to this day marvel that the St Augustine settlers never seriously attempted food production. It took a long time for Jamestown to thrive- the problem was that the settlers planted tobacco everywhere they possibly could because the more tobacco they grew, the more money they would get. As Churchill put, it took the dictatorship of John Smith to force the settlers to engage in food production. Now we come to Plymouth. The settlers there immediately went to work. First they tried a communal system, but, as Bradford wrote, it only fostered laziness which was sinful. They reorganized and quickly thrived. Their first winter was the only famine that colony expereinced.
So, we have St Augustine (government dependence), Jamestown (get rich quick) and Plymouth (hard work ethic). Is it any wonder that by 1630 Plymouth was much healthier than the other two?
At times I wonder — if Protestantism hadn’t arrived, Christendom could have put a stronger front againstIslam. But then Christian nations conquered North Africa, West Africa and much of the Middle East and they (the French and English) didn’t bother with converting the locals. Only the Spanish and Portuguese did this
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