US cardinal urges Catholics to take ‘St. Francis Pledge’ on climate change

Catholic Culture ^ | September 30, 2010

[Mad Dawg]

Hey! Easy on the testosterone. Actually the analogy is fine because hospitals don’t treat sin, which is, inter alia, a defect of will.

I don’t understand how a bunch of idiotic cardinals weakens my point. The Lod chose a lying poltroon for the first pope (as we see it.). Considering that I marvel less at the stupidity of bishops and such than I do at the excellence of the writings of JP2 and PapaBenXVI.

[Eldon Tyrell]

Tell you what -

It’s my statement - so why don’t you not tell me what I can and cannot say.

If you think you can support that the Church isn’t left - go for it. Data please. You are willing to admit “many Bishops “lean” to the left - what a joke. Many Bishops DEFINE the left.

I have already presented data showing the average Catholic voting more for OBAMA than the average american. (Not even correcting for the fact that 20+% of Obamas votes are just the black monolithic vote. Discount those - and Catholics are far left relative to everyone else.)

Then I looked up the supporting data for how this is not an isolated rogue Cardinal, but in fact formal Church policy.

So you can name a few names. I can name that many pedophiles and their enablers - we’ve skipped right over that. Sorry - but it is real.

This isn’t some fabricated story from the MSM. This is a reported story - a real event.

Sometimes - everything IS as it seems. You can deny all you wish - but data is what you need. Correct me with facts - not your opinion.

[Cronos]

Well, wagg, we have folks who belong to fringe cults like the Branch Davidians who think that for 2000 years, Christ's message was lost, until they got some bible truths that were denied to others. These are egoists and basically idiots who can't read the bible, but rather read excerpts and put their own spin on things. They know nothing and say a lot of garbage. The worst among them pretend to be "pastors" but are the false shepherd who will burn if they lead others astray. The others are just idiots suffering from non-compos-mentis probably due to their being dropped repeatedly on their heads when a baby.

I don't classify this sort as Protestant, but as anti-Everything. Real Protestants are Christians who will disagree with us on theological or socio-political matters, but the sort that rounds about on Catholic threads and spout lies are basically loons who have no grounds for their hate, just that they need to hate and then they convince themselves that they alone know the truths of the bible

[maryz]

“The environment - a COLLECTIVE good”.

Um, how is the environment not a "collective good" (even if you don't like the word, and I'm not crazy about it either)? Most of us get our water from a public reservoir and we'd just as soon it wasn't contaminated; and most of us just breathe the air that's available -- though a relatively few invalids do carry a "private" supply.

Granted, the excesses of the enviro-wackos are enough to drive normal people to ask "What's the environment ever done for me" and plaster "Nuke the whales!" bumper stickers on their cars. But those attitudes (if they were to be taken seriously and not as venting) are just as nutty.

[maryz]

there were no real attempts to translate the Bible into other languages prior to the 14th century is because there weren't any languages that were developed enough.

All I can speak for is English, but there was Bible translation in the Old English period (say from the 9th century). The Old English Heptateuch survives, as well as Gospel translations. Probably some others too, and there is a poetic paraphrase of Judith. I don't know whether Paul was even attempted (for the reasons you adduce), but it's hard to tell how much there was because of the Norse invasions and the later despoiling of the monasteries under Henry VIII. As it is, the vast majority of Old English that survives (what there is of it) is in the West Saxon dialect -- almost nothing from the other dialects. (BTW, that's one reason Chaucer is so different -- IIRC, his dialect was the Kentish.)

[maryz]

You could point out also that literacy in those early ages was not widespread and that (outside of the privileged classes in the ancient world) the Church was the only entity spreading literacy -- and that was sometimes an uphill struggle. Alfred the Great once famously said that reading and writing were only for women and priests! He later changed his view and did learn.

Another nugget is that the Cyrillic alphabet was developed as a tool of conversion!