Posted on 02/25/2011 3:36:52 PM PST by NYer
I’m guessing there will be a lot of empty black buggies in the upper Midwest on the day of the Rapture. The rest of us, not so much.
The JW’s answer to there’s only 144,000 going to Heaven is there are other woolie-baa-baa’s out there that are in the fold. And I guess they’ll be eating the grass here on a new Earth.
Reminds me of a scene from the Dan Akroyd movie, “The Coneheads” where they claim to be Jehovahs Witnesses, they said that 144,000 survivors would be...optimistic.
I am very familiar with the faith, it behooves me to treat them with respect, if and when the world erupts into chaos they may very well be the survivors. Most of my relatives were with the faith as was myself until I turned 16, I cannot say its a bad faith but I can say that it over shields the young too much.
I lost my younger sister through suicide and my nephew who was just a young man suddenly free to explore the world and he accidentally shot himself with a handgun. His parents never taught him anything about guns sadly.
I might either consider myself fortunate or disfellowshipped (their term of the bad ones) because I chose to cast off the very stringent rules they demanded, but as it is I am very much alive.
I’m still pissed off when 1975 came and went and the much preached event of Armageddon didn’t happen, all my youth it was hammered into us that in the fall of 1975 Armageddon would destroy all those that did not have the “mark on the forehead”. I think at one time when I was 10 or 11 I tried to use a crayon on mine.
"That seems to be the public reaction to Jesus. People say they "believe" in Him, but yet won't talk about Him in public...."amongst other people".
Years ago I decided to make a concentrated effort not to take the Lords name in vain. I was amazed at how often I said "oh my God"....or "Jesus Christ", not in the good way.
After a few years (I still slip here and there, always apologize)I started "correcting" my close friends and family when they would use those terms in from of me. They all knew I was making a conscience effort NOT to do it. So they would apologize, to ME, and I would say "don't apologize to me, apologize to Him"!!....and they would.
Several years later, I decided to take it "public". Really didn't and still don't get a good reaction. When I say "public", I mean those I work with, talk to once in a while, family I see a couple to a few times a year, etc., acquaintance's...not close but have known for some amount of time.
This includes those who go to church or synagogue...can't talk about Christ or The Father in "public"....NO SIR YE!!
These liars went on about this for a couple of years and when the time came and went and we were still here, to a man everyone of them denied they ever said any such thing.
They are too stupid and too dishonest to be allowed to breath our valuable oxygen right along with the mudslimes.
>>What I really want to see is a thread where the Mormons, J-Dubs, Catholics, and Scientologists can have at it with each other over who’s going to hell and whatnot while they stop clogging up the forum with evangelizing tripe posing as actual information.<<
Well golly gee whiz Megan, did you know that you didn’t have to click on any thread you don’t want to read?
Personally, I don’t want to be evangelized to. That’s why I mostly stay out of the Religion Forum. You can too.
Yep, both groups are described in Rev 7. The 144k are counted and clearly identified by tribe, yet those that then show up in heaven are more than can be counted. I’m thinking the number is significantly larger than the largest counted number of people in the bible (300 million in the army that comes from the east).
Don’t mean to nitpick but they are all Israelites, not all Jewish. Judah is one tribe of twelve. Sorry, pet peeve of mine. :)
Their death bus will be on fire.
JW’s used to predict the end all the time. Their numbers would swell before the event, but then drop below the original number afterward. They finally figured out that it was not a good growth strategy.
BTW, I have no respect for the teaching whatsoever (my parents were JW for a time). I’ve studied the religion. The green bibles not only omit key scripture, but there are actually places where, if you know their bible, you can point the door to door guys to scripture that clearly contradicts exactly what they are saying. And no religion that leads people away from the saving grace of Jesus is benign. But as long as they don’t blow up planes I’ll debate their teachings and leave it at that.
>>Years ago I decided to make a concentrated effort not to take the Lords name in vain. I was amazed at how often I said “oh my God”....or “Jesus Christ”, not in the good way.<<
Taking the Lords name in vain is doing things like putting the Christian “fish” on your business card: “Do business with me because I am a Christian”.
Vain:
1. excessively proud of or concerned about one’s own appearance, qualities, achievements, etc.; conceited: a vain dandy.
2. proceeding from or showing personal vanity: vain remarks.
3. ineffectual or unsuccessful; futile: a vain effort.
4. without real significance, value, or importance; baseless or worthless: vain pageantry; vain display.
5. Archaic . senseless or foolish.
Isn’t the 144,000 made up of 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. Levite, Judeah, etc.
and then, I recall something about a countless multitude.
I think I need to reread that part of the Bible this weekend.
Thank you for setting that straight. It’s very clear that they will be Jews.
Hebrews 5:9 says in part “And being perfected, He became the Author of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him”
In Luke 6:46 Jesus said, “And why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and do not do what I say?”
In Matthew 15:9, He also said, “But in vain they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
“But I fear lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve in his craftiness, so your thoughts should be corrupted from the simplicity due to Christ. For if, indeed, the one coming proclaims another Jesus, whom we have not proclaimed, or if you receive another spirit, which you did not receive, or another gospel, which you never accepted, you might well endure these.” (2 Corinthians 11:3-4 MKJV)
I also think saying “Lord” dozens of times in a prayer or sermon is pushing the envelope. I don’t think it is intended to be taking God’s name in vain, but it is.
>>”because he couldn’t stop people from slamming the door in his face.”
“That seems to be the public reaction to Jesus. People say they “believe” in Him, but yet won’t talk about Him in public....”amongst other people”.<<
It is not that they don’t want to talk about him in public - and I question whether your doorstep is “public”. More likely, they don’t like being disturbed by a person they don’t know who doesn’t set an appointment. That goes for religious people, Fuller brush men, etc.
I enjoy discussing with them, but that is because I know what they believe and hope that I can plant a seed of doubt about JW and bring them to a knowledge of Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. Same with Mormon missionaries. It is a tremendous opportunity - and responsibility.
Awwwww, sorry for your sad story. Sounds like my bil’s family. I’ve only known 2 JV familes personally.
1st is my bil (sisters husband).....they’re ALL screwed up. Mother & 1 older sister were total JV’s, the others went along (Dad and and other older sister)because they “had” to (thus JV older sister is now a TOTAL CATHOLIC!!!). Talk about family drama!!!!
2nd was a guy I worked with for years. One of the best guys you’d ever meet (like those Amish). I believe he had an older brother, whole family JV’s....whole family nice. He married his gf, another JV, both virgins....yes, we talked about everything. He didn’t get into details, but we were pretty good friends.
I blame it on the people. People see and hear what they choose to, which is why we have so many different religions to begin with.
I was raised Lutheran, went back to my church....but He wasn’t there. Long story short, 2 things happened to confirm what I already knew.....He wasn’t there and wasn’t going to be, period, end of story.
It’s just me and my Bible now. In another thread I had said I was “just alone” and a fellow FReeper reminded me and said “no, you are NOT alone”.....
>>Isn’t the 144,000 made up of 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes. Levite, Judeah, etc.
and then, I recall something about a countless multitude.
I think I need to reread that part of the Bible this weekend.<<
Yep. Revelation 7. And interestingly, everywhere else the bible talks of a lot of people it counts them. Even the army from the east at 300 million. Yet this multitude is just too big to count. I think there is a message there.
Oh, and they are described as ““These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
IOW, that does not include all who died before the great tribulation.
LOL, I guess we all have our “pet peeves”. Mine is those who put an S on the Revelation. I’m lazy. Jews is easier to type.
The word that really annoys me in group prayer is the word “just”, as in, “Lord, we just wanna...”. I get around it by avoiding such prayer groups now. I pray “in the closet” as it were.
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