I'm sure this will smoke out LOTS of comments.
All Christian denominations that I can think of do not consider Mormons Christian because of their view of the Trinity. The Trinity is an essential part of Christianity in all their theologies. The Nicene Creed is accepted by all of the major Christian denominations (from Eastern Orthodox, to Catholic, Protestant etc.). The LDS document The Great Apostrophe lays out the differences where the LDS church feels the rest of Christianity is wrong. This is an authoritative document backed by the 12 Apostles and has been for years. Basically it’s a rejection of what they feel is the improper overlaying of Greek thought on Christianity which they feel totally distorts Christianity.
That said it doesn’t mean that Mormons are evil, or a cult just that they believe substantially different that vast majority of Christians do and think were wrong and need to correct our theology.
Some of us love our Savior a bit more than that.
Ah, Lds "apostle" Jeffrey Holland, one of the "fave" speakers many Mormons like to here.
And here he not only reducing the number of distinctive key beliefs Mormons have distorted -- down to just "two" -- but even on the one above...reducing the view of "Divinity" to just distinct vantage points to this...pure reductionism.
So, here's some questions for you, Mr. Holland, and by extension, you Mr. Zulu, and by further extension, all you Mormons out there:
Is the Mormon belief in a wife-God of God the Father -- is she part of this grand "godhead," too? (No? Oh, so it's some kind of minor, secondary, trivial "issue" as to how many gods Christians honor from your perspective? Oh. I see)
Is the Mormon belief that your god was a former man who was appointed a god for this world -- an appointment made by the head of the gods -- is this "head god" part of this grand "godhead," too? (No? Oh, so that's some kind of minor, secondary, trivial "issue" as to how many more gods Christians honor from your perspective, eh? Oh. I see)
And the same goes for that "council of gods" that the "head Mormon god" heads up. Irrelevant, too?
And, then, what about all these former Mormon men and women heading up into godhood status. More theological trivial pursuit?
Sorry, Zulu. You and Mormons not only flunk theology, but simple math.
Time to hand back your high school diploma and go do some remedial math "learnin'."
The Bible says to worship ONE God and have NO OTHER gods before Him -- and Isaiah the prophet (read chapters 43, 44, 45) repeatedly emphasizes our God knows of no other true God -- and no God is beside Him.
Mormons not only have a handful of gods, but they are a pretend "god factory."
All: Steer clear of this cult.
Mormon bashing is her raison d’etra.
sad...anc comical
I'm gobsmacked that you believe that this article, by a "general authority" of the mormon church would cause you to believe that mormons are Christian.
For others on this thread, here is information taken directly from the official mormon website that directly contradicts the claim that mormons are Christian.
Priesthood Ordinances and Blessings - Mormon
Also, here is more information for everyone:
If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an Pro-Christian group of people here that spends a great deal of their time posting factual articles from various sources about the LDS church. Many of the articles come from the official site, LDS.org.
They have a calling to contend for Jesus Christ. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. They will rebut the fallacies in the original mormon article with true Biblical facts, and provide the URLs to them so that you too may read them for yourselves. They will also present conflicting statements from different LDS leaders with the attending source to these statements, usually historical documents or scriptures.
LDS persons SAY they have no issue whatsoever having their scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is usually not true. LDS persons, including their 52,000 missionaries, with influence from their highest leaders do not WANT their beliefs presented "fairly" and especially not "accurately". That is why they will use every tactic to prevent the pro-Christian material that rebuts claims presented by the LDS church from coming to light
Another favorite tactic of the Pro-Christian group is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma, yet in many cases present doctrine that many LDS members are unaware of.
That's a Christlike thing to do right? It does speak volumes about them .
Some of the Pro-Christians bring special witness to you as being former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would be in a good position to carry the message of their own experience.
The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. The Pro-Christian group wishes to see that any gain in membership in the LDS church is done with the new applicant for membership having FULL KNOWLEDGE of the requirements, promises and arcane beliefs that they are becoming a part of.
After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" the Pro-Christians seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to bring to you the difference between your original concept of mormonism and what it actually is....a fraud perpetrated by a con man, adulterer and thief.
The goal of the Pro-Christian group is to provide you with tools to investigate a sect that spends millions and millions each year to spread its false message, so that you can question the clever lies and attempts to co-opt the message of real Christianity.
Read the articles posted from mormon sources, question the belief therein, ask questions of the Pro-Christians and PRAY WITH THEM FOR GUIDANCE. Do NOT fall into the trap presented by mormons to "read the Book of Mormon and pray to find if it is true". It will be presented in a way that appeals to your senses, rather than your ability to study the Bible, compare it to the Book of Mormon and use your own good common sense to decide if God did indeed yank His Gospel from the Earth, wait centuries, then choose a young man with a doubtful past to "restore" it. There is no need for a "Restoration of the Gospel". There is no need for earthly temples in which to take part in masonic rituals to gain salvation. So again, seek the truth. Use your God-given brain and discernment.
Be wary. If you "seek" on the internet, be aware that the LDS church has a very heavy presence there, and in fact one of its groups boasts of having over 300 websites filled with mormon proselytizing. Unfortunately, "Jesus Christ.org" is one domain owned by the LDS church and is very misleading. If you visit there, be aware you are not seeing the true Christian message.
Here are only two links that will help you get started
"Are Mormons Christian-Part 1"
"Are Mormons Christian-Part 2"
Any one of the Flying Inmans will be happy to answer questions and provide links to help you along the way.
God bless you in your journey to true Salvation.
Shouldn’t this be in “Religion?”
A different ‘view’ of the Trinity eh
They believe in three SEPARATE ‘Gods’, plus believe there are uncounted multitudes of other ‘gods’ in existence. In short - polytheism.
Christian Trinity is a SINGULAR God that manifests in three Persons.
Propaganda.
BTW, if this was "so" from a Mormon perspective, then guess what?
That means to Mormons -- all the Christian churches -- including what THEY deem as "Mormon Christian" -- are roughly interchangeable. It really doesn't matter then if a Mormon gets up Easter morning, and worships at a Christian church.
Or, since the Mormons don't have a "Good Friday" or "Maundy Thursday" service during Easter week, if a Mormon attends a Christian church, so what? Right, Mormons?
Actually, more and more Mormons are concluding that very thing.
I recently rec'd a Truth in Love Ministry letter -- TILM is a ministry to Mormons. In their March letter, Pastor Mark Cares wrote:
"'I have never seen a greater interest among Mormons in coming to my church than in the past eighteen months!' ... Those words were music to my ears! ...Pastor Mike Powell's words (above) were music to my ears. Mormons make up roughly half of the population in Pocatello, Idaho. Mike Powell has been a pastor there for thirty-five years. During that time, Mike has seen a dramatic change in the way Mormons represent themselves. Back in the 1970's, he would hear, 'We're not Christian, we're Mormon.' There was a clear distinction between Mormon beliefs and Christian faith. In recent years, however, the Mormon Church has begun purposefully utilizing Christian terminology. Now, the Mormon Church actively seeks to be considered Christian. While this deception is attractive to some Christians, Mormon teachings still lead people to eternal damnation! Here's what is so exciting. According to Pastor Mike Powell, the Lord is at work on the hearts of Mormons right now. They know something is wrong with the teachings of Mormonism. They are becoming bolder than ever to step out and visit Christian churches."
Lds, since the Mormon Church doesn't necessarily set apart a special emphasis on Easter, isn't this month a good time to finally focus on the cross??? Set apart Easter -- the cross and the resurrection -- in your heart. Visit a Christian church this Easter week.
Don't you realize the Mormon Church is starting to wain -- despite the "spin" you've heard???
Just yesterday, your most prominent paid apologist -- Daniel C. Peterson -- confessed that in an article that ran in the Mormon Church-owned Deseret News. Here's what Peterson wrote:
Don't we send out full-time missionaries? Isn't that enough? Aren't we "the fastest growing religion"? Actually, we're not. Church growth has been falling for many years, and our current rate of missionary success is the lowest it's been for decades. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705370129/The-Internet-aids-missionary-effort.html?pg=2
So you see. You keep hearing otherwise. But that means the "otherwise" you've heard has just been "spin." Pure spin. IOW, not the truth. Don't you see how easy it's been for your leaders & your fellow members to lie to you?
Peterson 'fesses up: "Church growth has been FALLING for MANY years."
You want the truth, don't you? (Why take the spin from the likes of Mormons who get "zotted" -- representative of the Great Second 'Zot' to come -- the 'Zot of Judgment')
I'm sure this will smoke out LOTS of comments.
As they say, "One swallow doesn't make a Spring."
Instead of 'comments'; how about a bunch of QUOTES from Prominent MORMONs over the years?
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).
I would say that is a little different,..