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1 posted on 10/07/2011 1:10:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Like many of my generation, Francis Schaeffer was an icon whose books were immensely influential. My guess is that his son Franky was turned off by the hypocrisy he saw while living a storied life as the son of an Evangelical celebrity. Things are often quite different behind closed doors, and with the parade of prominent Christians making their pilgrimage to L'abri, he probably saw quite a bit of surprising - and discouraging - behavior. I understand some of that "juicy gossip" about prominent Christians is in his book.

However, each of us make our own decisions, and there are many who manage to hold to their faith despite the failings of those around them. It appears that Franky chose the route of bitterness and rejection instead of forgiving those who disappointed him, and crying out to God to help him live a more authentic and faithful Christian life.

I remember long ago talking with a man who rejected his religious faith and wrote what he said was a devastating refutation of Christianity and the Bible. However, he did not have the heart to have it published, explaining that he did not want to have a hand in destroying the faith of others. I hope that God had mercy on that man's soul.

The Apostle Paul warns: "not not let many be teachers, for they will have a double judgment." By writing what is apparently a polemical book against Christianity, I fear that Franky Schaeffer has placed himself in grave spiritual danger.

47 posted on 10/07/2011 2:27:44 PM PDT by tjd1454
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The problem, Schaeffer explained, is belief with certainty. “Certainty kills,” he explained,“no one ever bombed an abortion clinic or a mosque after yelling ‘but I could be wrong.’”

Schaeffer is certain he is correct.

50 posted on 10/07/2011 3:15:16 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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People who claim to believe in nothing want to tell the rest of humanity what is right or wrong. And they usually haven’t thought out their position well enough to know that they have no basis to tell anyone anything.


54 posted on 10/07/2011 4:37:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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Franky has become a bitter man!
Even Pilate said, about Jesus, “I find no fault in this man.”
I believe every man would make that statement, if he focused on the: “Holy, perfect Son Of God.” Yet it is the greatest understatement of all times.

Just think: “For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through His Son Jesus Christ.” (John 3:17)

“But He (God)made Him (Jesus) to be sin for us, who had no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.” (2 Cor. 5:21)

“Being confident of this very thing, He that hath begun a good work in you, will perforn it until the day of Jesus Christ.” (Phil. 1:6)


56 posted on 10/07/2011 6:02:25 PM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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57 posted on 10/07/2011 6:03:26 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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"According to Schaeffer, we are not “stuck with the stupidity of Christianity,” but are free to create our own conception of God, reality, and morality."

Gee, isn't that close to the same line the serpent fed to Eve in the garden? "You shall be like God."--Genesis 3. Just more moral relativism. As Ecclesiastes says "there's nothing new under the sun."

59 posted on 10/07/2011 7:19:23 PM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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Yah, Frankie. Christians hate sex. That’s why they have such large families. orc.


60 posted on 10/07/2011 7:34:09 PM PDT by redhead (Don't START with me...you know how I get.)
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Franky Schaeffer . . . discussed his newest book Sex, Mom, and God: How the Bible's Strange Take on Sex Led to Crazy Politics--and How I Learned to Love Women (and Jesus) Anyway

Book pimping.

“Certainty kills,” he explained

Is he certain of this?

Life is not long enough to conclude anything, it’s only enough to try your best along the way,”

Is he certain of this? And, what was his statement if not a conclusion (two)?

if salvation is correct doctrine, then everyone is lost.

Say what? If salvation is correct doctrine, then those who follow the doctrine are saved. If not, then they are lost. Is Schaeffer babbling here? Or is the babbling being committed by the writer of this piece (Kristin Rudolph)?

To those who hold religious beliefs he said, “believe me, you will someday reach a point where you know that was dumb.

That’s what Atheists say. Nothing new here.

Schaeffer said his life, “for better or worse, worse mainly, happens to intersect the rise of the religious right in America, which also happens to have ruined the United States.”

The “religious right,” as it ultimately came to be known, was a product of the Eighties in response to the phenomenal rise of Ronald Reagan, and Christianity’s growing awareness that they could not continue to ignore the increasing attacks launched against them by Atheists and other Progressive Socialists.

How Schaeffer can pin the “ruin” of America on the “religious right” escapes all comprehension. Christianity (much less the “religious right”) has had precious little influence on American institutions for over seventy years.

Schaeffer claimed he neither sides with the right or the left

Snort! Yet he spouts the standard schtick of the Left’s playbook.

61 posted on 10/07/2011 7:36:04 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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>> Franky Schaeffer now says that “religion is dumb” and “man made.”

Christianity is not a religion, Schaeffer, you damn idiot.


62 posted on 10/07/2011 7:36:10 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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he isn’t being very logical.

Give me a good atheist like Hume any time.


64 posted on 10/08/2011 12:55:18 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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Schaeffer presented his views as an alternative to the opposing views of “new atheists” such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, and orthodox Christians. “Secularism” is not the answer, he said, it “is not what it’s cracked up to be,” but also, “it’s not God’s fault that there’s dumb stuff in the Bible.” According to Schaeffer, we are not “stuck with the stupidity of Christianity,” but are free to create our own conception of God, reality, and morality. Not believing in the Christian God “doesn’t mean that a God that loves me … and created love and personality and relationships in a universe that otherwise would be dark and cold isn’t out there.”

The mishmash in his head is probably typical of quite many, if not the majority, of secularized Americans. The only news here is the late Calvinist thinker Francis Schaeffer failed to pass on his faith to his son.

66 posted on 10/08/2011 7:25:01 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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Certainty kills

What kind of certainty is he talking about? Is this pre- or postmodern science?

70 posted on 10/08/2011 8:45:07 AM PDT by cornelis
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So the guy never accepted Jesus as his Savior and doesn’t have a clue about things of the Spirit but yet he’s an authority on Christianity...Does any one really listen to this guy???


71 posted on 10/08/2011 8:53:38 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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Schaeffer has always made his money off his dad. When that stopped coming in, he thought he could get money being anti-dad.

Ignore him. He’ll go away quickly.

Apparently, he’s broke.


81 posted on 10/08/2011 5:23:11 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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Franky’s religious evolution is bringing a new level of meaning to...


90 posted on 10/09/2011 9:25:02 AM PDT by RichInOC (Sarah Palin is at war with the left. Most Freepers are just playing the video game.)
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“The supreme arrogance of religious thinking: that a carbon-based bag of mostly water on a speck of iron-silicate dust around a boring dwarf star in a minor galaxy in an underpopulated local group of galaxies in an unfashionable suburb of a super-cluster would look up at the sky and declare, ‘It was all made so I could exist!’”
— Peter Walker

It appears that Mr. Schaeffer was corrupted by logic. What a shame. Our friend in the sky is going to send his soul to hell now. (which is also completely illogical, but those silly logical people don’t know about our jesus magic!)


96 posted on 11/30/2011 6:37:40 AM PST by MRTQ7
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“Certainty kills” huh? I don’t know what happened to him. Maybe he has experienced teen-aged rebellion late in life because he sure opposes everything his father stood for. The God Who is There. He can be known through His revealed word. This is the starting point that western civilization and its laws were based upon. As this concept was eroded, civilization came apart at the seams. Can anyone look around us and not see the truth in this? And to pitch his tent with Barak Obama.


97 posted on 04/28/2014 3:39:19 PM PDT by goodn'mad
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