The Condescension of Jesus Christ

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints ^ | December 2011 | David L. Frischknecht

[Religion Moderator]

It was later restored without the caucus label.

[reaganaut]

Amen! Just wanted to let you know there are people who leave Mormonism and come to the Christ of the Bible. Keep praying for those trapped in Mormonism.

[csense]

The Condescension of Jesus Christ

WTF

I don't usually interject myself into Mormon threads, and maybe I'm missing something, but can anybody explain to me why such an insulting word is being used here?

[restornu]

The “no antagonism” guideline applies to “ecumenical” threads NOT “caucus” threads.
For an article to qualify for “ecumenical” discussion it must not be antagonistic, e.g. mention beliefs which would antagonize other Freepers.

LDS Caucus privileges are forfeit.

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I was right a few weeks ago Praise the Lord you can’t even bookmark the thead let alone save it with the title in your own personal word because the title was once omited!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2819274/replies?c=62

thread http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-religion/2650662/posts?page=1

Part 1 - Craig Evans vs. Bart Ehrman Debate: Does the New Testament Misquote Jesus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRQ9WaxEjvc&feature=related

too all seekers of truth does truth matter?

... seems not to those who never really read they Bible or study it they let others do their thinking for them but the Lord told all of us to Search the Scriptures whether those things were so and not to relie on others.

John 5:39

39 ¶Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Acts 17:11

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

[restornu]

with such unkind bad word you use you make it hard for one to answer you.

condescension

Hebrews 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, John 1:14 (Rom. 9:5; 1 Tim. 3:16;

John 6

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

It was Heavenly Father who sent Jesus to earth to take on the mortal body and walk among men and was also tested by Satan when in this lower state.

Matt 4

Jesus fasts forty days and is tempted—

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[Saundra Duffy]

Just so you know the word “condescension” referred to the fact that Jesus Christ our Savior chose to come down here to earth - to leave His Heavenly status TEMPORARILY in order to suffer and die, to experience all the trials and tribulations, pain, grief and sorrow, so no one could ever accuse Him of not caring and not understanding. Those of you who just read the title and didn’t bother to read the lovely words and meaning of the article missed the whole point - AS USUAL!

I love my Savior and do not appreciate the petty, creepy bigoted statements about Him I am reading on this thread from the anti Mormons who honestly don’t have a clue about my Savior and my Faith in Him. He is everything to me. He suffered and died for me to save me from my sins.

Merry Christmas.

[Saundra Duffy]

Jesus Christ is the Head of my Church and I love Him. You are the one who is telling lies about my Church and my Faith. Merry Christmas.

[Saundra Duffy]

“Mormonism is evil...”

On Christmas Day we celebrate the birth of the Savior. Last night I went to Temple Square and was blessed by the Spirit of the Christmas season. There was no evil there.

Just because you make a statement doesn’t make it true.

You will know us by our fruit.

Merry Christmas.

[Saundra Duffy]

“LDS Caucus privileges are forfeit. “

In other words, the “Caucus” guidelines apply to every other religious persuasion EXCEPT The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

You can explain it away with some strange verbiage that makes no sense but the fact remains that Mormons are not welcome here UNLESS we are fighting side-by-side with other Christians to overcome causes you agree with. When the victory is won, however, and you don't need us anymore, you are willing to throw us under the bus like so much dirt.

While we Mormons were laboring side-by-side with other Christians to pass Prop 8, no one was calling us “evil” or “cult” members or anything derrogatory at all. However, after Prop 8 passed many of them turned on us. It was a real eye-opener for me let me tell you.

And the same scenario plays out here on FR. We are your friends when we are helping with your conservative causes and candidates but as soon as it becomes inconvenient to your agenda of anti Mormon bigotry, we are crapped on.

I'm not sure what you people believe anymore. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

In a REAL cult, people are not free to express themselves. In a REAL cult, people are punished for not towing the line. In a REAL cult, innocent people are accused of horrible things. In a REAL cult, privileges are dolled out on the basis of OBEDIENCE to the leaders. FR has all the makings of a REAL cult. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints operates on the basis of FREE AGENCY.

By the way, the Jim Robinson who used to be my friend and who is a true gentleman would never mistreat and abuse his friends in this manner. I refuse to believe that it is really my friend Jim Robinson with whom I have freeped up a storm since 1998 who is in charge of this anti Mormon brigade that continues to crush freedom of speech and freedom of religion on this site. It cannot be the Jim Robinson whose home I visited and with whom I freeped every Saturday for over a year in Modesto against "Condidit". This is not the Jim Robinson who asked me to coordinate the C-Span event. It can't be! Will the REAL Jim Robinson please stand up. Merry Christmas.

[Saundra Duffy]

“The condescension of the Lord Jesus Christ generally refers to His leaving His high and holy station in heaven and coming to live as a man on earth to accomplish the Atonement and Resurrection. Jesus came to live where mankind lives and as mankind lives so He could raise mankind to live where the Father lives and as the Father lives. Because He descended to earth to lift us to heaven, each one of us can have the “perfect brightness of hope” (2 Nephi 31:20) of progressing into the kingdom and presence of God.”

[Saundra Duffy]

“The condescension of the Lord Jesus Christ generally refers to His leaving His high and holy station in heaven and coming to live as a man on earth to accomplish the Atonement and Resurrection. Jesus came to live where mankind lives and as mankind lives so He could raise mankind to live where the Father lives and as the Father lives. Because He descended to earth to lift us to heaven, each one of us can have the “perfect brightness of hope” (2 Nephi 31:20) of progressing into the kingdom and presence of God.”

[Saundra Duffy]

Pinging you to Post #29 before this whole thread gets pulled again and/or changed/rearranged behind our backs.

[greyfoxx39]

ROTFL....Sandy, you tried an end run around JR's removal of the mormon caucus label and it backfired on you.

You and all the FR mormons are perfectly free to post open threads.

IMO, kicking and screaming because the actions of some of your fellow mormons abused the caucus label and JR put a stop to it just shows that mormons can dish it out, with their 56,000 missionaries and multi-billion-dollar PR campaigns lying about a "restoration" and who God and Christ really are, but they can't take the push back.

Just keep on keepin' on...you provide us with the opportunity to post the real truth, and incidentally also provide entertainment with your.....

[reaganaut]

In my experience (having been Mormon for many years), this is a Mormon attempt to sound ‘intellectual’. However, it is not only a poor choice of words, it also shows how ‘condescending’ they are about Christ.

In Mormonism, Christ is a stepping stone, He only ‘saves’ them from physical death, not spiritual death, the LDS don’t believe in sin nature, and instead believe that they must work (by being good Mormons, going through their secret temple rituals, baptism for the dead and the like) and that Jesus is really not much more than a really good example (by being sinless He earned His godhood first). The Mormon phrase is “By grace we are saved after all we can do”.

Mormons are at the same time exclusivists (only Mormons can go to the Celestial Kingdom and become gods of their own planet) and universalists (everyone goes to at least one of the lower levels of Heaven - they have 3). In order to get to the REAL heaven (the Celestial Kingdom) you have to earn your way there. They turn Christ into a loan shark, a perfect spiritual brother (no different than us) who competed with Lucifer to be Savior, and ‘paid’ for our sins in the the Garden (not on the cross) by sweating blood, but we have to pay Him back by our good works. Nothing is free in Mormonism.

I can source all of these teachings using Mormon sources if you wish.

Don’t let Mormons fool you when they say “Jesus is our Savior and we love Him”. They redefine “savior”, “grace”, “heaven”, etc. Here is a link to a great site that has a Mormon/Christian dictionary (with Biblical references and LDS sources) that clearly shows the errors in Mormon doctrine...

http://utlm.org/onlineresources/terminologymain.htm

[Godzilla]

SD did you forget how several mormons ABUSED the caucus label repeatedly - ignoring the RM’s instructions?

You become abusive, you lose.

Or did you forget that even earlier mormons started a little ‘war’ by declaring they were going to ‘hose the pigs’. My, what a bunch of nice people eh?

Playing a victim card is so democrat SD.

[reaganaut]

eems not to those who never really read they Bible or study it they let others do their thinking for them

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OK, that is REALLY REALLY funny coming from a Mormon. Seriously.

When I really read the Bible, I LEFT MORMONISM! I know no Mormon who thinks for themselves about faith, the Bible, or religion, “the Church” does the thinking for them.

[reaganaut]

Sandy, it is called the INCARNATION, not ‘condenscension’. Just so you know...

And I know the Mormon “savior”, he isn’t the Christ of the Bible.

[Godzilla]

eems not to those who never really read they Bible or study it they let others do their thinking for them

Right, coming from a religion that teaches "once the prophet speaks, the thinking is done".

Step away from the koolaid resty

[ejonesie22]

I’d almost buy that rant except you support Romney...

So your conservatism is questionable at best so...

[reaganaut]

There is nothing Dogbert said that was a lie, Sandra. He is telling the truth. Mormonism is the lie and many of us are praying for your salvation and freedom from Mormonism.

May this next year bring you to the truth and out of Mormonism.