Is this Pope John Paul II waving from beyond the grave? Vatican TV director says yes
Posted on 04/22/2013 3:54:49 PM PDT by markomalley
Is it this tradition? This is also a bogus side of Rome. The guy healed a sore back, like Benny Hinn? Sideshow antics, my FRiend. Have him raise someone from the dead...after three days and stinkethness. This too is rejected.
Perhaps for Latins since they created the formal process of verifying miracles, and bestowing a sequence of titles ending in "Saint". Back in the day (and for us Orthodox still), martyrs sometimes had (and have) their glorification (to use our term) proclaimed upon news of their death -- though a formal proclamation from a Holy Synod can take a bit longer. Consider the account of the martyrdom of St. Polycarp.
I never get these miracles to become saints and all.
As a Catholic I always thought God/Holy Spirit/Christ healed, not the Pope or anyone else.
We also pray to God. MAYBE you can ask a Saint to pray along with you for God’s will, but I am not all that impressed with Sainthood.
I always thought that’s what the doctrine was on the veneration of Saints.
I rarely pray to a saint, but when I do I’m really asking them to pray with me to God.
If he wasn’t a saint when he died, he won’t become one now...
He was the right man at the right time. If not a saint, he ranks high in the pantheon of freedom.
The Church does not make anyone a saint. It only recognizes some who lived exemplary lives holiness marked by the exercise of heroic virtue, and only after this has been proved by common repute for sanctity and by conclusive arguments. Are there none in your belief system that you would use as such an example?
Peace be to you.
Okay, that is funny...
As far as I am concerned, helping engineering the dissolution of the USSR without a shot being fired qualifies as a miracle in my book
Semantics. He isn’t a canonized saint yet. He may be one day.
To me, he is a saint already even before this report. This just confirms it.
My belief system is embodied in the Scriptures, and no, there is no veneration, no adulation, no special "sainthood" for anyone, as there is with Rome. All believers are "saints", according to the Scriptures, which places you on equal footing with Paul...if you are among the elect. You will fellowship with Moses, as you might with me. But, there will not be a St. Peter, but only Peter.
The remarks of Paul (letter to the Hebrews) regarding men, "...of whom the world was not worthy,...", is comparing them to the world, not other believers.
Canonization is a peculiar tradition wherein the elevation of particular men/women detracts from believers hoping to be, "...found in Him, not having a righteousness of..." their, "...own, but that which is through faith in Chirst, the righteousness which COMES FROM GOD on the basis of faith,...". This is where eyes belong. But, look around your organization and notice how much is designed to revere men/women, rather than God. The idolatrous statues of Mary are larger than those made to represent Jesus. Even the idolatry cannot get it right! Does none of this give you pause, my FRiend?
Saints [Catholic, Orthodox, Open]
SAINTHOOD 101: Rules for Becoming a Saint [Catholic Caucus]
The Process of Becoming a Saint (Canonization) [Catholic Caucus]
Pope Lists Criteria for Causes of Canonization
Please try to understand the depth of the four steps to sainthood.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3011087/posts?page=15#15
I still think this is being rushed. Makes me wonder why.
I'm also extremely disappointed with the way he didn't deal with the sexual abuse by priests, as well as not stomping harder down on the pro-abortion clerics.
Perhaps the effects of the near assassination were far more debilitating than was let on?
The only thing I need to understand I’d God’s definition of a saint. Anything else is made up and false.
Well... there were some shots fired. At him, by the assassin the USSR hired!
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