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When Science is Betrayed – and What Lessons We Should Learn
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 01-14-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 01/15/2015 7:50:33 AM PST by Salvation

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1 posted on 01/15/2015 7:50:33 AM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 01/15/2015 7:51:21 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Interesting. FWIW, Protsch at least has some independent corroboration in his “finding” that modern Humans and Neanderthals coexisted; unless a number of geneticists are “in” on the deception, they’ve independently demonstrated the presence of neanderthal DNA in the modern human genome.


3 posted on 01/15/2015 8:00:11 AM PST by Little Pig
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To: Salvation

Science is, and always was, a philosophical tool. It is not a religion, and attempts to dress it up as a belief system are doomed from the start.

There is no such thing as “settled science”. By its very nature, to question everything, even long-held beliefs, the dictum is, that as new facts are discovered that do not square with existing theory, it must cause a new reconsideration. Either the facts are not measuring the character of that slice of the universe, and a new slice has to be made, or the construction of the theory is skewed and no longer fits the facts.

The Universe is NOT an endless range of possibilities, only our perceptions of the observed portion are. The range of possibilities is cut down sharply as facts are introduced to the reasoning process, and the dim outlines of some applicable rule become apparent. The Universe obeys these sometimes hidden percepts with an internal and relentless logic of its own, perhaps using parameters far beyond our feeble powers to observe or reason through.

It is a test, people, neither pass nor fail, but repeated as often as necessary before proceeding the next level.

Which in itself may also be a dead end or a needlessly long and skewed path. Sometimes it is a long way out of the fever swamp.


4 posted on 01/15/2015 8:14:24 AM PST by alloysteel (Je suis Charlie)
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To: Salvation
There is a great reverence for science in our culture. On the one hand, rightly so. Science has made enormous strides that have changed life as we know it. Profound discoveries have eradicated diseases, improved health, increased the world’s food supply, led to a computer revolution, drawn us higher into outer space and deeper into inner space, revealed hidden mysteries of nature, and produced technologies unimaginable to even our recent ancestors.

On the other hand, the reverence of science has tipped perhaps too far in the direction of a religious substitute. Indeed it is arguable that the robes of the priest, once admired and revered, have now been replaced in our culture’s esteem by the lab coat. Many regard the findings of science with an almost blind faith that many (often unfairly) attribute to religious believers. “Scientists say … ” has become a kind of mantra wherein all dissent must stop and a slight bow of the head might also be appropriate. The matter is settled since “scientists say … ” And while religious believers base their faith on some connection to unchanging Divine utterances, “believers” in science too often couch their belief on the utterances of mere human beings, learned to be sure, but fallible and subject to changing their theories (rightly) when new evidence comes in. Hence the sort of religious reverence that many today give to scientists is problematic, both for them and for science.

Funny!

"I don't know if it (human activity) is the only cause, but mostly, in great part, it is man who has slapped nature in the face," he said. "We have in a sense taken over nature."

"I think we have exploited nature too much," Francis said, citing deforestation and monoculture. "Thanks be to God that today there are voices, so many people who are speaking out about it."
-- from today's thread Pope on Climate Change: Man Has 'Slapped Nature in the Face'


5 posted on 01/15/2015 8:17:47 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Salvation

This is a good article.

I think, though, it’s more paleontology than archeology.


6 posted on 01/15/2015 8:38:53 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Alex Murphy; Salvation

Look our stalker is here and once again doesn’t understand.


7 posted on 01/15/2015 8:46:48 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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Look our stalker is here and once again doesn’t understand.

Being a Catholic, does that mean you're going to punch me in the face?

8 posted on 01/15/2015 9:04:36 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Salvation

http://conservation.catholic.org/pope_john_paul_ii.htm


9 posted on 01/15/2015 9:04:56 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Salvation

http://catholicclimatecovenant.org/catholic-teachings/vatican-messages/


10 posted on 01/15/2015 9:06:20 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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No need.


11 posted on 01/15/2015 9:06:40 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Salvation
I posted two links to statements made by John Paul II and Benedict XVI as Pope Francis is constantly being beaten down on this forum and I imagine others over issues of science.

There is currently a Pope bashing thread that is on going on this subject. I simply do not have the time or the will to wade into that swamp today.

But I thought that perhaps people might be interested in the links, thanks.

12 posted on 01/15/2015 9:10:13 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: defconw

Thank you.


13 posted on 01/15/2015 9:12:55 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: alloysteel
There is no such thing as “settled science”.

As our ability to measure with greater precision/ accuracy has improved along with our ability to observe greater distances and finer detail we have been able to improve the validity of our theories.

People believed that the Earth was flat, that was wrong. Then people believed that the Earth was a perfect sphere, that was wrong, but less wrong.

The search for truth will continue.

14 posted on 01/15/2015 9:33:17 AM PST by verga
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To: Salvation

But yes, dear reader, even some scientists stray, and “objective” science is not without sinners in its ranks too, no matter what the “white lab coats” might lead you to think.


I believe that to be an understatement, since there are many different kinds of scientists we can not put them all in the same room.

People like Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, the Wright Brothers probably did not even think of them selves as being scientists but if their inventions had not worked we would not have even heard of them.

The proof was in the out come, the scientists trying to prove man came from monkeys have not proven anything, every thing is still just theory, just a religion.


15 posted on 01/15/2015 9:55:12 AM PST by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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To: Salvation

bkmk


16 posted on 01/15/2015 9:59:38 AM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Little Pig

>> the presence of Neanderthal DNA in the modern human genome

That possible commonality alone doesn’t determine evolutionary succession, right?


17 posted on 01/15/2015 2:03:51 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Salvation

Figures do not lie, but liars figure!

Science does not lie, but liars use science.

The problem is that when people who are attached to an emotional mission, they are blinded by their attachment to the preconceived notions and can only see the science that supports the decisions that they have already made.

They are in love with their theories and love is blind!!!


18 posted on 01/16/2015 1:12:50 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: alloysteel

Very well stated...

I’ve always said that there is no such thing as a miracle, it is merely science that is beyond our comprehension.

That does not mean that the things described in the Bible did not happen exactly the way they are described.

For me, science is merely a tool for searching to understand how God works.

However, I have often found that an expansion of consciousness thus allowing for a greater perception of reality was necessary in order to understand the science presented to me. That’s where it takes prayer and meditation combined with science to gain an understanding.

I am a scientist, but I also believe in God.


19 posted on 01/16/2015 1:18:06 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: verga

“People believed that the Earth was flat, that was wrong. Then people believed that the Earth was a perfect sphere, that was wrong, but less wrong.”

God created the world and put beautiful loving women in all the corners of the world to share it with men.

Then He made the world round and laughed, and laughed and laughed!!!


20 posted on 01/16/2015 1:24:50 AM PST by tired&retired
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