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The Battle Of Vienna — What Every Christian Needs To Know
Shoebat ^ | 10/10/15 | Thomas King

Posted on 10/10/2015 7:04:26 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: SeekAndFind

It’s been done. Not particularly well, but it’s been done. Most recently in a piece with F Murray Abraham as the only actor I recognized. A fairly solid but plodding effort, it does stay fairly true to the historical facts. But for a story so ripe with dramatic potential, it fell flat.


21 posted on 10/10/2015 8:49:31 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Jan_Sobieski

PING!


22 posted on 10/10/2015 8:50:01 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Hugin
"Day Of the Siege" is available on Netflix right now.

I recommend it to everyone.

Imagine a cavalry charge of thousands of Winged Hussar.

Simply spectacular.

"Got muzlums?!?"

Badass of the week: Winged Hussars

23 posted on 10/10/2015 8:54:25 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: markomalley

Fascinating history. Thanks for posting, markomalley. HOORAY Thomas King and Shoebat.com

How we made it this far BUMP!


24 posted on 10/10/2015 8:56:36 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: raygunfan
huh, what a surprise, protestants siding with evil against the mother church.....and they lost...that tells you who God sided with....and always will.....

I am always amused by ignorant Catholics that have the temerity to proclaim the "righteousness" of their religion and the evilness or lack of correctness of Protestants and their adherence to the Bible over tradition. Here are some facts that dispute your incorrect analysis of Protestantism and Catholicism.

This is only a drop in the bucket where the sinful misdeeds of Catholics against those who disagree with them are concerned.

The National Park Service provides these details of the conflict:

Spanish treasure fleets sailed along the Florida coast on their way to Spain and Fort Caroline provided a perfect base for French attacks. Worst of all to the devoutly Catholic Philip, the settlers were Huguenots (French Protestants). Despite Philip's protests, Jean Ribault sailed from France in May 1565 with more than 600 soldiers and settlers to resupply Fort Caroline.

General Pedro Menéndez de Aviles, charged with removing the French, also sailed in May, arriving at the Saint Johns River in August with some 800 people, shortly after Ribault. The Spanish came ashore on September 8 and established and named their new village "St. Augustine" because land had first been sighted on the Feast Day of St. Augustine, August 28.

Jean Ribault sailed on September 10 to attack and wipe out the Spanish at St. Augustine, but a hurricane carried his ships far to the south, wrecking them on the Florida coast.

At the same time, Menéndez led a force to attack Fort Caroline. Since most of the soldiers were absent, Menéndez was easily able to capture the French settlement, killing most of the men in the battle. He then learned from Timucuan Indians that a group of white men were on the beach a few miles south of St. Augustine. He marched with 70 soldiers to where an inlet had blocked 127 of the shipwrecked Frenchmen trying to get back to Fort Caroline.

With a captured Frenchman as translator, Menéndez described how Fort Caroline had been captured and urged the French to surrender. Rumors to the contrary, he made no promises as to sparing them. Having lost most of their food and weapons in the shipwreck, they did surrender. However, when Menéndez then demanded that they give up their Protestant faith and accept Catholicism, they refused. 111 Frenchmen were killed. Only sixteen were spared - a few who professed being Catholic, some impressed Breton sailors, and four artisans needed at St. Augustine.

Two weeks later the sequence of events was repeated. More French survivors appeared at the inlet, including Jean Ribault. On October 12 Ribault and his men surrendered and met their fate, again refusing to give up their faith. This time 134 were killed. From that time, the inlet was called Matanzas -- meaning "slaughters" in Spanish.

The Capitol Hill Prayer newsletter recently featured a story on the anniversary of the French Huguenot massacre.

"Although they died as martyrs 444 years ago, the sacrifice of the French Huguenots in Florida still stands in eternity, and the price has been paid in the heavens for our freedom on this land, here on earth. Praise God. . . . they loved not their lives unto death." (Rev. 12:11)

The newsletter explains that a mural in the United States Capitol reveals this part of Florida's history and provides a map depicting the three oldest cities in our nation:

"An often overlooked site of interest in the U.S. Capitol is a historical map that is shown in the ceiling of the Cox Corridor in the House wing of the Capitol Building. Titled 'Fort St. Augustine,' this mural is in the ceiling of the corridor, and shows the dates of the founding of the first three cities in our land: St. Augustine (1565), Jamestown (1607), and Plymouth (1620)."

"The Spanish conquistadors founded St. Augustine, Florida on September 8, 1565 while they carried out the command of King Philip II of Spain, to 'do away with' the 'French problem' on land that Spain had claimed."

"Later, the Spanish built the Castillo de San Marcos -- a fearsome-looking fortress, designed to serve as a signal to all others that this land belonged to Spain! The Castillo de San Marcos, which took 30 years to build, is also shown on this map."

"St. Augustine, Florida, is the oldest city in America today, having been founded by Europeans who have resided there ever since."

These are significant and beautiful historic sites and, in combination with Fort Caroline in Jacksonville, and Fort Matanzas, just south of St. Augustine on the Atlantic Coast, are worth a visit.

From Wikipedia concerning the history of the Catholics and the Huguenots

Huguenot numbers peaked near an estimated two million by 1562, concentrated mainly in the southern and central parts of France, about one-eighth the number of French Catholics. As Huguenots gained influence and more openly displayed their faith, Catholic hostility grew, in spite of increasingly liberal political concessions and edicts of toleration from the French crown. A series of religious conflicts followed, known as the Wars of Religion, fought intermittently from 1562 to 1598. The wars finally ended with the granting of the Edict of Nantes, which granted the Huguenots substantial religious, political and military autonomy.

Renewed religious warfare in the 1620s caused the political and military privileges of the Huguenots to be abolished following their defeat. They retained the religious provisions of the Edict of Nantes until the rule of Louis XIV, who progressively increased persecution of them until he issued the Edict of Fontainebleau (1685), which abolished all legal recognition of Protestantism in France, and forced the Huguenots to convert. While nearly three-quarters eventually were killed [1] or submitted, roughly 500,000 Huguenots had fled France by the early 18th century[citation needed].

The bulk of Huguenot émigrés relocated to Protestant European nations such as England, Wales, Scotland, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, the Dutch Republic, the Electorate of Brandenburg and Electorate of the Palatinate in the Holy Roman Empire, the Duchy of Prussia, the Channel Islands, and Ireland. They also spread beyond the Old World to the Dutch Cape Colony in South Africa, the Dutch East Indies, the Caribbean, and several of the English colonies of North America, where they were accepted and allowed to worship freely.

Persecution of Protestants diminished in France after the death of Louis XIV in 1715, and officially ended with the Edict of Versailles, commonly called the Edict of Tolerance, signed by Louis XVI in 1787. Two years later, with the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen of 1789, Protestants gained equal rights as citizens.[2]


FOX'S BOOK OF MARTYRS

CHAPTER IV

Papal Persecutions

Thus far our history of persecution has been confined principally to the pagan world. We come now to a period when persecution, under the guise of Christianity, committed more enormities than ever disgraced the annals of paganism. Disregarding the maxims and the spirit of the Gospel, the papal Church, arming herself with the power of the sword, vexed the Church of God and wasted it for several centuries, a period most appropriately termed in history, the "dark ages." The kings of the earth, gave their power to the "Beast," and submitted to be trodden on by the miserable vermin that often filled the papal chair, as in the case of Henry, emperor of Germany. The storm of papal persecution first burst upon the Waldenses in France.

Persecution of the Waldenses in France

Popery having brought various innovations into the Church, and overspread the Christian world with darkness and superstition, some few, who plainly perceived the pernicious tendency of such errors, determined to show the light of the Gospel in its real purity, and to disperse those clouds which artful priests had raised about it, in order to blind the people, and obscure its real brightness.

The principal among these was Berengarius, who, about the year 1000, boldly preached Gospel truths, according to their primitive purity. Many, from conviction, assented to his doctrine, and were, on that account, called Berengarians. To Berengarius succeeded Peer Bruis, who preached at Toulouse, under the protection of an earl, named Hildephonsus; and the whole tenets of the reformers, with the reasons of their separation from the Church of Rome, were published in a book written by Bruis, under the title of "Antichrist."

By the year of Christ 1140, the number of the reformed was very great, and the probability of its increasing alarmed the pope, who wrote to several princes to banish them from their dominions, and employed many learned men to write against their doctrines.


25 posted on 10/10/2015 9:00:49 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Caipirabob

Nice addition to the thread. Thanks for the link. BTTT!


26 posted on 10/10/2015 9:01:34 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: raygunfan
More from Fox's book of Martyrs:

In A.D. 1147, because of Henry of Toulouse, deemed their most eminent preacher, they were called Henericians; and as they would not admit of any proofs relative to religion, but what could be deduced from the Scriptures themselves, the popish party gave them the name of apostolics. At length, Peter Waldo, or Valdo, a native of Lyons, eminent for his piety and learning, became a strenuous opposer of popery; and from him the reformed, at that time, received the appellation of Waldenses or Waldoys.

Pope Alexander III being informed by the bishop of Lyons of these transactions, excommunicated Waldo and his adherents, and commanded the bishop to exterminate them, if possible, from the face of the earth; hence began the papal persecutions against the Waldenses.

The proceedings of Waldo and the reformed, occasioned the first rise of the inquisitors; for Pope Innocent III authorized certain monks as inquisitors, to inquire for, and deliver over, the reformed to the secular power. The process was short, as an accusation was deemed adequate to guilt, and a candid trial was never granted to the accused.

The pope, finding that these cruel means had not the intended effect, sent several learned monks to preach among the Waldenses, and to endeavor to argue them out of their opinions. Among these monks was one Dominic, who appeared extremely zealous in the cause of popery. This Dominic instituted an order, which, from him, was called the order of Dominican friars; and the members of this order have ever since been the principal inquisitors in the various inquisitions in the world. The power of the inquisitors was unlimited; they proceeded against whom they pleased, without any consideration of age, sex, or rank. Let the accusers be ever so infamous, the accusation was deemed valid; and even anonymous informations, sent by letter, were thought sufficient evidence. To be rich was a crime equal to heresy; therefore many who had money were accused of heresy, or of being favorers of heretics, that they might be obliged to pay for their opinions. The dearest friends or nearest kindred could not, without danger, serve any one who was imprisoned on account of religion. To convey to those who were confined, a little straw, or give them a cup of water, was called favoring of the heretics, and they were prosecuted accordingly. No lawyer dared to plead for his own brother, and their malice even extended beyond the grave; hence the bones of many were dug up and burnt, as examples to the living. If a man on his deathbed was accused of being a follower of Waldo, his estates were confiscated, and the heir to them defrauded of his inheritance; and some were sent to the Holy Land, while the Dominicans took possession of their houses and properties, and, when the owners returned, would often pretend not to know them. These persecutions were continued for several centuries under different popes and other great dignitaries of the Catholic Church.

Persecutions of the Albigenses

The Albigenses were a people of the reformed religion, who inhabited the country of Albi. They were condemned on the score of religion in the Council of Lateran, by order of Pope Alexander III. Nevertheless, they increased so prodigiously, that many cities were inhabited by persons only of their persuasion, and several eminent noblemen embraced their doctrines. Among the latter were Raymond, earl of Toulouse, Raymond, earl of Foix, the earl of Beziers, etc.

A friar, named Peter, having been murdered in the dominions of the earl of Toulouse, the pope made the murder a pretense to persecute that nobleman and his subjects. To effect this, he sent persons throughout all Europe, in order to raise forces to act coercively against the Albigenses, and promised paradise to all that would come to this war, which he termed a Holy War, and bear arms for forty days. The same indulgences were likewise held out to all who entered themselves for the purpose as to such as engaged in crusades to the Holy Land. The brave earl defended Toulouse and other places with the most heroic bravery and various success against the pope's legates and Simon, earl of Montfort, a bigoted Catholic nobleman. Unable to subdue the earl of Toulouse openly, the king of France, and the queen mother, and three archbishops raised another formidable army, and had the art to persuade the earl of Toulouse to come to a conference, when he was treacherously seized upon, made a prisoner, forced to appear barefooted and bareheaded before his enemies, and compelled to subscribe an abject recantation. This was followed by a severe persecution against the Albigenses; and express orders that the laity should not be permitted to read the sacred Scriptures. In the year 1620 also, the persecution against the Albigenses was very severe. In 1648 a heavy persecution raged throughout Lithuania and Poland. The cruelty of the Cossacks was so excessive that the Tartars themselves were ashamed of their barbarities. Among others who suffered was the Rev. Adrian Chalinski, who was roasted alive by a slow fire, and whose sufferings and mode of death may depict the horrors which the professors of Christianity have endured from the enemies of the Redeemer.

The reformation of papistical error very early was projected in France; for in the third century a learned man, named Almericus, and six of his disciples, were ordered to be burnt at Paris for asserting that God was no otherwise present in the sacramental bread than in any other bread; that it was idolatry to build altars or shrines to saints and that it was ridiculous to offer incense to them.

The martyrdom of Almericus and his pupils did not, however, prevent many from acknowledging the justness of his notions, and seeing the purity of the reformed religion, so that the faith of Christ continually increased, and in time not only spread itself over many parts of France, but diffused the light of the Gospel over various other countries.

In the year 1524, at a town in France, called Melden, one John Clark set up a bill on the church door, wherein he called the pope Antichrist. For this offence he was repeatedly whipped, and then branded on the forehead. Going afterward to Mentz, in Lorraine, he demolished some images, for which he had his right hand and nose cut off, and his arms and breast torn with pincers. He sustained these cruelties with amazing fortitude, and was even sufficiently cool to sing the One hundredth and fifteenth Psalm, which expressly forbids idolatry; after which he was thrown into the fire, and burnt to ashes.


27 posted on 10/10/2015 9:04:17 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: markomalley

September 11, 1565 - Turkish invasion forces are defeated
and expelled from Malta by relief force led by Don
Garcia De Toledo, Viceroy of Sicily.

Knights of Malta with Spanish/Italian soldiers from Philip II of Spain and local Maltese militia had withstood 4 month siege from the Turks

September 11, 1697 - Christian force defeated Turks in Battle of Zenta inflicting massive losses


28 posted on 10/10/2015 9:09:30 PM PDT by njslim
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To: markomalley
ISIS released a map of the areas it plans on expanding into over the next five years..... Not only are Mideast and Asian regions included,... but the map includes European lands:.... Portugal, Spain, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Greece, parts of Russia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Romania, Armenia, Georgia, Crete, and Cyprus.

History is not repeating itself;.... sword-waving Muslims are not militarily conquering Europe. ....Rather, they are being allowed to walk right in!

Nothings changed...they will continue to perform Jihad via immigration as they have been doing


29 posted on 10/10/2015 9:21:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: ebb tide

Article states...”A solid faith in Christ made it possible for the people of Vienna and Poland as well as Europe made it possible to combat Islam”....

That is not possible today with the World turning away from the God of the Bible.....to secularism and a host of other isms.


30 posted on 10/10/2015 9:23:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: markomalley
Re: "Beware of dhimmis or willing subjects to Islamic rule- In the battle, the most willing allies in aiding the Ottomans to destroy Catholic Europe was none other than followers of Lutheranism and Calvinism."

Angela Merkel - Chancellor of Germany - Daughter of a Lutheran minister


31 posted on 10/10/2015 9:47:10 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: SeekAndFind

The protestant revolution may turn out to be just one more heresy in the long run. It took hundreds of years for the Cathar heresy to come to fruition and hundreds more to quash it. Lutherans and Calvinists siding with moslems is nothing new.


32 posted on 10/11/2015 3:48:47 AM PDT by x_plus_one ( when reason is finished, only faith continues to ascend)
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To: SoConPubbie

Good luck with that. In a hundred years the protestant heresy will be gone if the Russian Orthodox have heir way.


33 posted on 10/11/2015 3:51:23 AM PDT by x_plus_one ( when reason is finished, only faith continues to ascend)
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To: x_plus_one

RE: The protestant revolution may turn out to be just one more heresy in the long run.

I think if we are to practice clear thinking, we have to differentiate what people do with the ideas they espouse.

If Lutheranism or Calvinism are heresies (i.e. outside the bounds of orthodox, historical Christianity ), then they should be critiqued on their own merits rather than what their adherents did in the past.

Same principle apples to those Roman Catholics in the medieval ages who committed atrocities in the name of the church.


34 posted on 10/11/2015 5:46:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
If Lutheranism or Calvinism are heresies (i.e. outside the bounds of orthodox, historical Christianity ), then they should be critiqued on their own merits rather than what their adherents did in the past. Same principle apples to those Roman Catholics in the medieval ages who committed atrocities in the name of the church.

Yep.

Remember who the real enemy is.

35 posted on 10/11/2015 6:01:05 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: rabidralph

There is also the “Turkish Crescent” which is more of a cookie.


36 posted on 10/11/2015 9:22:08 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: SeekAndFind
here ya go. Haven't seen it yet, myself.
37 posted on 10/11/2015 3:33:21 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: Vroomfondel

Great, thanks. F. Murray Abrahams is a great actor. Loved him as Antonio Salieri in Amaedeus.


38 posted on 10/11/2015 4:34:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ntnychik

That is an interesting item.

Will never look at a bagel or croissant the same way again.


39 posted on 10/11/2015 6:17:11 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA)
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To: petenmi

OMG

F. Murray Abraham?

This I have to see.


40 posted on 10/11/2015 6:19:16 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA)
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