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False News Claim of Methodist/Islamist Convergence
The Institute on Religion and Democracy ^ | 8 Dec 16 | Mark Tooley

Posted on 12/09/2016 10:59:02 AM PST by xzins

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To: xzins

They forgot to debunk the United Church of Christ which says it’s supporting Muslims.

http://www.uccny.org/resources/resources-to-support-muslim-neighbors/


21 posted on 12/09/2016 11:23:14 AM PST by MeganC (Hate crime: The heinous act of disagreeing with a liberal.)
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To: editor-surveyor; AppyPappy

BTW, I am an ordained Methodist elder currently pastoring a church in an area with a liberal hierarchy, and I have NEVER been asked to host or house any Islamic refugees, nor have I EVER seen a letter, email, text, notice, announcement or anything asking it of anyone.


22 posted on 12/09/2016 11:24:29 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

Also, it can’t be said that the UMC isn’t promulgating the glories of Islam to their congregations because they are:

https://ucmpage.org/articles/ksvendsen6.html


23 posted on 12/09/2016 11:25:22 AM PST by MeganC (Hate crime: The heinous act of disagreeing with a liberal.)
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To: MeganC

IRD is not focused on UCoC, but is on the UMC.


24 posted on 12/09/2016 11:25:23 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

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Your hierarchy is likely well aware of your politics, and wouldn’t be inclined to tip you off, I suspect.
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25 posted on 12/09/2016 11:27:50 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: MeganC

See #22.

The article you posted a link to is very pro-Christian and anti-Islamic.

Also, I used to belong to UMCPage.org, and it is defunct. The page in question is quite old, and the blog hasn’t been updated since about 2011.

Kent Svendsen was a conservative and also a military chaplain.


26 posted on 12/09/2016 11:30:15 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

I have posted that refutation on the website I write for. However, as one reader pointed out, if they were doing something like this, they might still try to deny it. People connected to far left ideals often do that. But then again, it could just be something taken way out of context by the Geller website. Either way, I posted the refutation and this is a good find.

I wonder if Drudge or Infowars will post the refutation like the website I write for is doing.


27 posted on 12/09/2016 11:32:02 AM PST by rhett october
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To: xzins

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I find it difficult to accept the TV station’s analysis of the probabilities.

I would see it as the exact opposite. The weak are always where the conquest begins.
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28 posted on 12/09/2016 11:32:27 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s not a matter of tipping off.

They are quite open about their heresies, and they continually publish such things in emails, websites, newsletters, etc.

E-S, I really, really know this denomination. I’m not happy with it, but I see nothing to gain and everything to lose by indulging in fake attacks on them. In many ways fake attacks are more dangerous, because for me to be easily discredited because of such a story makes me easy to ignore when real objections arise.


29 posted on 12/09/2016 11:34:06 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I little country church of 40 people and attendance of 33 doesn’t have time for this kind of thing, and in the midst of one of our most conservative conferences, it isn’t likely for it to be liberal. Odds are it isn’t.


30 posted on 12/09/2016 11:36:13 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: Organic Panic
A debunking worthy of the DPRK or Pravda.


The feverishness of the debunking makes me think the story may indeed be true.
31 posted on 12/09/2016 11:36:30 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama)
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To: MeganC

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Good find!

I have found in my professional dealings with Muslims that they have no qualms about back-stabbing.
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32 posted on 12/09/2016 11:38:38 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

see #26


33 posted on 12/09/2016 11:39:57 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

It’s a pretty reserved debunking actually.

And an eyewitness says it simply isn’t true.


34 posted on 12/09/2016 11:40:53 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: editor-surveyor

She is also unhinged. And Alex has his own moments, also.

It is damaging to truth and morale to have fringe dramatics sucking up undeserved oxygen, in the face of real facts.

You are quite right that Muslim “conversions” into Christian churches and institutions is an easy given, but the extent of such occurrences is not public.

Communists were reportedly infiltrated into the Catholic seminaries in the ‘50’s. The source was a convert from communism. It was never a claim broadly corroborated that I know of, anyway, but nevertheless, over time, you had to wonder about the subversion of the Catholic identity, and practices of today.


35 posted on 12/09/2016 11:41:20 AM PST by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education is the farm team for more Marxists coming,... infinitum.)
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In a further flight from reality, the article claims, as an illustration of the threat, that “10,000 churches in the UK alone were volunteered to be used as mosques to accommodate the influx of assimilation-resistant Muslims.” It links to another article that makes no such claim but that instead reports the closure of 10,000 British churches in recent decades.

The numbers may be wrong; but the phenomenon of abandoned churches being converted to mosques in UK is right on target. More than 10 years ago, a dear friend of mine, a naturalized American born in a suburb of London just prior to WW2, told me he had used a "street view" on his computer to examine his childhood neighborhood, and that "moy dear wittle Meffadisht chuhch is naow a mosque! Oi 'av nao desire evar to go thiyere agayn!"

Mosque attendance in most countries of Western Europe now outstrips church attendance, even though (for the time being) they are still a minority of the population. This is because Christianity is always just one generation away from extinction, and the last two generations went for "sex, drugs and rock'n'roll" instead of the faith.

36 posted on 12/09/2016 11:41:55 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo."--Donald Trump)
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To: xzins
It’s a pretty reserved debunking actually.

And an eyewitness says it simply isn’t true.


Trusting one eyewitness debunker is similar to believing "his lawyer says he is innocent". Have no doubt some of the right wing sites are sensational.

In Asheville NC recently the Universalist Church recently was scheming to import 150 muslim refugees into a city that is openly pro gay. Now, what could possibly go wrong with that bright idea?

37 posted on 12/09/2016 11:50:36 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama)
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To: editor-surveyor

I read something from her in last year or so which makes me take her with a grain of salt now. Can’t remember what it was.


38 posted on 12/09/2016 12:04:42 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

One eyewitness who is always in church in an extremely tiny church. I know these kind of churches. They are all around me.


39 posted on 12/09/2016 12:10:00 PM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: xzins

Our Methodist Church are sponsoring a Syrian family here in town. They are already here.


40 posted on 12/09/2016 2:02:24 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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