Posted on 03/09/2017 7:25:55 PM PST by Salvation
"My Lord and my God!"
**In this Laodicean age..**
That is man made interpretation on display.
The things of the tabernacle were a shadow of the heavenly. All seven candles burned at the same time. In the first 5 chapters of the Revelation, there is no indication of any being put out while others are still burning. All seven churches are told to overcome. I believe that all seven Spirits of God are still on this planet.
Is there a vast increase in immorality? Absolutely. But, I’m convinced that there are places on the earth where you can still find all ‘seven churches’.
If you want to be honest, you need to debate, using the scriptures, in context.
I think that I have yet to see you do that in this thread.
Dude...stop while you’re behind.
Are you catholic? I just want to be sure.
Your arrogance is on display ...
**There is little chance that they would comprehend the purpose of Baptism..**
Acts 2:38 is so simple even a child that knows the meanings of the words understands it.
God even gave us types and shadows of a new beginning after coming up out of the water:
Creation - from the water and the Spirit came forth life.
The flood - death to sin, and new life began.
Joseph - was thrown into a pit (that didn’t have water in it at the time, or he would have drowned. Gen. 37:24), was taken out to start a new life.
The Red Sea - certain death was buried at sea, and freedom gained for Israel.
The priests - were to wash in the brazen laver before performing their priestly duties.
The Jordan River - the Israelites cross over to begin life in the land promised to them.
Elijah - crosses the Jordan to everlasting life.
Elisha - crosses the Jordan to begin his new life as a prophet of God.
Naaman - immerses (albeit 7 times) in the Jordan and comes out, not just healed, but with babies skin.
Jonah - as a rebellious coward, he gets thrown into the deep, and comes out a fearless preacher.
Jonah’s ship - with sin (Jonah) washed away, the sailers’ certain death was transformed into deliverance and peaceful seas.
Jesus Christ - (who certainly didn’t need to be baptized unto repentance) was baptized, and then began his mission.
RC ? Certainly not.
One God Pentecostal.
Are you of the persuasion salvation can be lost?
God keeps his promises. Man doesn’t. I think that there are people that actually are born again, and fall away. You have to first be at a particular place before you can fall away from it.
The parable of the sower has seeds starting new life as plants (after dying in the first life), but some of the plants die off. Some folks don’t endure living for God because they grow weary of adversity, or think that things of this life are more important.
In the parable of the virgins, they all had lamps, but only 5 also brought oil in vessels. They ALL arose and trimmed their lamps, five lamps went out, because those five virgins brought no vessels with oil along. The bridegroom said to them that he knew them not.
Paul, no doubt a judge of faithfulness, said that Demas forsook him, “having loved this present world.”
In every single church in Rev. chapters 2 and 3....
“He that overcometh...”
God told Samuel to anoint Saul king of Israel. Saul was rejected, and died rejected. What was his soul’s fate?
And I seriously would like your opinion. Thumbs up? Thumbs down? Don’t know?
I don’t know.
This I do know. Temptations can lead to temporary steps backward, or lead to total rejection of going forward. Give people an excuse to sin, and look out, sooner or later, they will see what they can “get away” with.
A good example of that was a RC friend (deceased) that assumed that the wafer was the failsafe plan. He would do as he pleased, but not miss out on the weekly cure, that he believed he was getting at mass.
What does the bible say about UN belief?
John 3:18
"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 5:38
"You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent.
John 12:48
"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
After...
AHHHhhh...
I've always wondered about the US referred to in Genesis:
Let US create man in OUR image.
I think we would agree that Jesus did not need John's Baptism in order to be saved. In that scene, we see God The Father speaking of God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit descending upon God The Son. The clue is the action of The Holy Spirit.
Switching to a Jesus professing sinner (like me or you), we profess with the mouth what we believe / purpose in our heart. This we do before we are Baptized. The examples which stand out for us in the Book of Acts are the day of Pentecost and the House of Cornelius. At Pentecost, when thousands were born from above as proven by the Holy Spirit in them, then, we presume, they were baptized. Most were in Jerusalem from too far away to have been witness to the mission / ministry of Jesus before the crucifixion.
In the House of Cornelius we see the Holy Spirit was in them before they were baptized. A further example would be the Ethiopian Eunuch who believed in his heart, so Philip had the chariot stopped and took the man for baptism.
Now, how would these examples relate to the Baptism of Jesus? [HINT: mikvah was an integral JEWISH part of making a new beginning, not establishing a belief, but making a new beginning founded in the already existent belief and repentance. In the case of Jesus, He had nothing for which He need repent. But He was at the beginning of HIS mission.]
Ping to a thread that may be of interest to you.
So you throw an all encompassing blanket of total rejection of faith on the eleven, declaring them as lost?
What might you not believe?
Miraculous healing? Do you go to doctor?
If you do, then should you be considered lost, and void of any faith?
God is Spirit. God was IN Christ reconciling the world unto himself.
The Son repeatedly declared that he was in the Father, and the Father in him. If you want the Father to be a separate and distinct manly image then you and Joey Smith have something in common.
That soul that is the Son of God (that was not left in hell), had been given a body,..by the Father.
The body and soul, that Adam was originally patterned after, was the image that God the Father is shown speaking to in Gen. 1:26. The Son is the firstborn of every creature.
That is why the Christ (and his apostles) always used the phrase, “the Son of God”. He is of God the Father. That’s where he came from.
** [HINT: mikvah was an integral JEWISH part of making a new beginning, not establishing a belief, but making a new beginning founded in the already existent belief and repentance.**
Yet Paul continued to baptized Gentiles repeatly after Acts chapter 15. And it appears, that in his letter to the saints in Rome (which was written before his last trip to Jerusalem)(Rom. 15:22-26), he reminds them of how they were converted in chapter 6. So to make water baptism strictly a Jewish matter, is not accurate.
**In that scene, we see God The Father speaking of God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit descending upon God The Son.**
You also use the trinitarian’s amplified version of the Son’s baptism, when even John the Baptist knew that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and not God the Son. (John 1:34)
I know this is a crude comparison, but a TV set is an object that displays a personality through visual and audio ability. But pull the plug, and the source of its power is truly realized.
Your mind is so closed that you cannot even apply a hint, but instead must flitter off into what is already set in your mind, of which you are determined to never re-evaluate. Have nice day
May I presume that you believe you are body, soul, and spirit?
Here are two axioms which have helped me immensely in comprehending the Universe AND the Scriptures. These apply to the Created Universe in all its vagaries, as created by God Almighty:
1 - Without Time, events do not occurYou may think your list of twelve scenes are equated, but therein is the first clue to your ignorance. There were several DIFFERENT mikvah focuses. Even Paul took a ritual mikvah when he set about to accomplish a holy purpose. But the mikvah may also be an affirmation of faith that God will heal, as in Naaman.2 - Without Space a thing does not exist
JESUS said "I and the Father are one." Do you believe there is something God cannot do?
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