Posted on 10/09/2017 11:47:22 PM PDT by Sontagged
Technically, if you have driven 22mph in a 20mph school zone, the driver also has sinned.
The issue isn’t eternal damnation because of our sin, but because we don’t have a righteous spirit and have been condemned since the Garden of Eden. We escape condemnation by salvation.
We just disagree on that one. It is a very controversial subject.
I used to believe it was “real”. It is not talking about the eternal state anyway. It’s talking about the time before the second death. i.e. it is the “death and Hades” that is destroyed in the second death in Revelation.
Here is a great rundown, there are a lot of others...
http://www.jeremyandchristine.com/articles/lazarus.html
That is a keeper! I'm saving this for future reference.
Study Jesus’ retelling of the widow’s mite.
Or how He says “if you are faithful in small things you will be faithful with big things”...
IOW, if you steal on a small level, you will be prone to steal on a big level, and the amount of your theft is in direct ratio to your place in life. I.e. the widow’s mite was all the money she had to live on, yet she gave it to God.
The widow’s gift, Jesus said, was in reality much more than the gifts of those who gave more monetarily but not sacrificially.
The issue of, say, fudging a tax return, is about how much you trust Jesus to be your real provider in life. If you don’t trust Him to ultimately be the one taking care of you, then you are more prone to cheat on taxes.
I.e. your cheating is in direct ratio to your lack of faith in Christ.
Sin is relative to the sinner in these types of cases. Though for the issue of rape, or sexual abuse, it appears that Hell is a place for rapists to be raped themselves. Forever. And ever.
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” is a directive and dire warning.
I think the latter video of the same man gives evidence that his vision was from God, particularly how his experiences coincide with Psalm 40 and other scriptures.
But thank you for being a Berean about it, as visions, dreams and words of knowledge etc., should be taken to the Word for confirmation.
I still adore my hefty and worn Strong’s.
Would you agree that to use “Hitler in hell” as an illustration of God’s judgment is to falsely imply that Hitler deserves hell more than anyone else??
Uh...no.
Well said, Sontagged.
Actually, Jesus never mentioned Hell. He DID, however, mention Gehenna quite a bit. That word is translated, in SOME bibles, as the catch-all phrase, “hell”, but it is a made up English word.
The second chapter of acts sums up the gospel (good news) and the book of romans talks a lot about the fate of the saved vs the fate of the lost. It is all about eternal life vs death.
And Jesus talked about Gehenna (a real place) and unquenchable fire. In that day, the way you destroyed something was with fire. Anyone living at Jesus time would have clearly understood Jesus’ references to the lost and Gehenna to mean the lost were destroyed.
Jewishnotgreek.com covers it very well, including Lazarus and the rich man. BTW, Lazarus is “named” because of the meaning of the name.
Other good resources:
http://www.jeremyandchristine.com/articles/lazarus.html
http://rethinkinghell.com/explore/
In the above, click on the scriptures tab and see the scriptures that support “hell” and those that support “death” regarding the lost.
There is a lot more out there from both sides. For me, once I studied BOTH sides within the context of the whole bible, it became pretty clear. :-)
While i don’t give Dante the credence Europeans of his era did, he apparently had heard of or seen himself the different layers of Hell as did this man (whom I believe talks about it in the sermon of his I linked to.)
On a tangential note, it was literary brilliance but probably not spiritual accuracy for Dante to have Socrates and other Greek philosophers in the first circle of Hell.
I was about to say the same thing.
Most people are uncomfortable with NDEs beacuse they are supernatural, and our souls are scarred with how to live in the world by soulish means.
Many from a Christian culture are similarly scarred, but the very meaning of Christianity is premised upon supernatural events and a way of thinking through faith in what He has provided us, which is very spiritual (quite supernatural).
So the trick is to discern the spirits.
BTW, modern psychiatry is premised by theories posed by original theorists who also followed Theosophy, which was from Madame Blavatsky a known Satanist. When discussing the spiritual realm, lots of modern psychiatry will attempt to throw false principles into the mix. Case in point is the ‘science’ of sleep paralysis.
The soul is immortal and eternal, are you saying those who go to Hell or Gehanna are somehow spared eternal punishment?
I haven’t seen the video. IMHO, all testimony that causes sinners to turn toward Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is good.
I don’t see anything in the Bible which indicates that there are gradations of punishment in hell.
How can an atheist believe in Hell?
Funny how you should say that. It reminded me of some wisdom I heard many years ago.
When I were a young man, I got a speeding ticket. In order to get the points taken off my license, I chose to go to a “driver improvement” course. In the course, the topic of road rage came up. We shared our feelings of anger as we experienced people cutting us off or otherwise doing bad things behind the wheel.
The instructor, a retired cop, gave us wise advice. “You get angry because you see that person getting away with his act. Don’t get angry. He likely feels empowered by what he did and will probably do it again. Eventually he’ll likely get caught by a cop (before anyone gets hurt hopefully), and guess what? His insurance will go up! You, on the other hand, will be a careful driver, and your insurance will be a lot lower than his.”
“So don’t get mad, just relax, and realize that his cockiness will eventually lead him to get stupid and he’ll do it right in front of a cop.”
I misunderstood your Hitler in Hell comment, then, forgive me.
Obadiah says
“As thou hast done,
it shall be done unto thee:
thy reward shall return upon thine own head”...
maybe there is a quality of punishment befitting the crime?
Best traffic school advice I ever heard, thanks because I know someone who gets too angry on the road who needs to hear this.
THX and GBU
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