If Demons Believe and Tremble, What about Us?

As I said previously: Organizational beginnings are not the beginnings of the scriptures.

Luther came along 1500+ yrs after what I believe is plainly taught in the scriptures. He saw some truth but didn’t entirely shed himself from man made traditions.

It’s straight and narrow, and few there be that find it.

The difference:
Catholics believe that Jesus built His church almost two thousand years ago, on the Apostle Peter, the other Jewish Apostles and Prophets, with the Messiah Himself as the chief cornerstone. The gates of hell did not prevail against His church for fifteen hundred years or nineteen hundred years.

When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

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Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

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I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

Matthew, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses thirteen to nineteen,
Ephesians, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses nineteen to twenty two,
Revelation, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses ten to twelve,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

Yes, Peter had received the revelation from the Father, and answered the Lord’s question; saying, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God”. And following the Lord’s example never used the phrases “God the Son” or “God the Holy Ghost”. They never taught prayer to anyone in heaven, other than God. They never embraced the praying to graven images.

That was 2,000 yrs ago. It seems to me that the RCC teaches contrary to the things mentioned above.

And like I said, taking 3 centuries to make an official declaration on the Godhead was pathetic.

For in Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. So, like he said, the Father dwells in him. And the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father.

God is a Spirit.

See,... that was easy..... only took 3 minutes.

See,... that was easy..... only took 3 minutes.

Do you confess that Jesus is God ?

I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea: Thy seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof; his name should not have been cut off nor destroyed from before me.

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And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

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And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Isaiah, Catholic chapter forty eight, Protestant verses fifteen to nineteen,
Matthew, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses sixteen to seventeen,
Matthew, Catholic chapter seventeen, Protestant verses one to five,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

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For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

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Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Isaiah, Catholic chapter forty five, Protestant verses nineteen to twenty five,
Romans, Catholic chapter fourteen, Protestant verses eight to twelve,
Philippians, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses five to eleven,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

**Do you confess that Jesus is God ?**

Do confess that the Father is in the Son,.....literally?

You present a nice set of scriptures, but if you believe in three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead, each acknowledged as God (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost), then take those verses, and identify each person of God (in parentheses) as you go.

Yeah, it’s not as easy as pasting chunks of scripture, but it may prove that you could have greatly sped up the process that took three hundred years.

**Do you confess that Jesus is God ?**

This is the correct answer to that question:

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John, Catholic chapter twenty, Protestant verse twenty eight,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

Do confess that the Father is in the Son,.....literally?

Yes, the Father and the Son are אֶחָֽד(one).

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

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Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

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Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her. Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

John, Catholic chapter fourteen, Protestant verses ten to twenty,
John, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses seven to sixteen,
John, Catholic chapter twenty, Protestant verses seventeen to twenty three,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

When in the garden the Son prayed, saying:

“..Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee”. John 17:1

The greatest thing that the Father did to glorify the Son, was raise him from the dead (Rom. 6:4). That resulted in the Son being able to glorify the Father in the greatest way.

“As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.” John 17:2

The Son of God was GIVEN power........

“And this is eternal life, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3

**And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.**

Do you think that Philip didn’t realize right then that God the Father was present in the Son of God?

You then went to John 14.

So let’s go there.

When Thomas was alarmed about the Lord announcing his departure, Jesus told him that “..if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.” (from John 14:5-7).

Philip was still not satisfied, and asked to see the Father. Jesus replied to Philip that he also should have known him, saying, “..he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or believe me for the very work’s sake.” (from John 14:9-12)

Thomas finally understood this truth when he saw the risen Lord, nail prints included. He realized that the image before him was the fleshly habitation of the invisible Father, for he exclaimed: “My Lord and my God.” (from John 20:26-29)

Do you think that Philip didn’t realize right then that God the Father was present in the Son of God?

Chapter fourteen had already occurred and Jesus had told all the apostles that He was in the Father and the Father was in Him. Jesus said that the words He spoke to them were not of Himself, but were of the Father who dwells in Him. They are One.

I find it interesting that you wrote the phrase "God the Father" and struggle with "God the Son."

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

John, Catholic chapter seventeen, Protestant verses one to five,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

Jesus did not direct this prayer to Himself, nor to the Father within Himself, but to the Father in heaven. He taught the apostles to pray to the Father in heaven. The Father spoke from heaven.

**Chapter fourteen had already occurred and Jesus had told all the apostles that He was in the Father and the Father was in Him. Jesus said that the words He spoke to them were not of Himself, but were of the Father who dwells in Him. They are One.**

Absolutely!

**I find it interesting that you wrote the phrase “God the Father” and struggle with “God the Son.”**

Paul used the phrases “God the Father” and “the Son of God” quite regularly. He never used the phrase “God the Son”.

**Jesus did not direct this prayer to Himself, nor to the Father within Himself, but to the Father in heaven. He taught the apostles to pray to the Father in heaven. The Father spoke from heaven.**

So you don’t think that the Father is omnipresent?

Jesus Christ showed us how to pray. The man praying to the Spirit.

Paul used the phrases “God the Father” and “the Son of God” quite regularly. He never used the phrase “God the Son”.

Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.

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But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

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But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Psalms, Catholic chapter forty five, Protestant verses seven to eight, ,
Hebrews, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses eight to twelve ,
First Corinthians, Catholic chapter eight, Protestant verse six ,

Lord (Kurios) in the New Testament

Edit: adding sixth verse of the Psalm which I inadvertently left out :

Paul used the phrases “God the Father” and “the Son of God” quite regularly. He never used the phrase “God the Son”.

Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.

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But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

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But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Psalms, Catholic chapter forty five, Protestant verses six to eight, ,
Hebrews, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses eight to twelve ,
First Corinthians, Catholic chapter eight, Protestant verse six ,

Lord (Kurios) in the New Testament

**One problem with the Oneness Pentecostal heretical teaching regarding the Holy Trinity is that it conforms very closely with the Islamic view of Jesus (that Jesus is Messiah but not God), as it does with that of the Mormons, Kingdom Hall adherents, and Christadelphians, none of whom believe Jesus is God.**

If we are going to throw around words like “heretical teaching”, then why are RCs so devoted to all their graven images?

Oneness Pentecostals believe that the fullness of the Godhead is found bodily in Jesus Christ. As far as I know, the groups that you mentioned do not.

**As to the assertion that Paul used the phrase “God the Father”: since no evidence was offered, can you provide the translation that renders it so without the commas ?**

“God the Father”: KJV: (Paul) Gal. 1:1,3; Eph. 6:23; 1Thess. 1:1; 2Tim. 1:2; Titus 1:4
1Peter 1:2; 2Peter 1:17; 2John 3; Jude 1

“..therefore God, thy God,...”

The Son has a God (the Father): John 20:17

The Son could not create without the power of the Father: Isaiah 42:1-8

(This is hastily done, since the big rig must roll in a few hours)

Did you miss the edition in Hebrews ? The writer interpreted the Psalm by writing But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, as just referenced in the post.

If we are going to throw around words like “heretical teaching”,

Catholics/Orthodox/Protestants/Evangelicals all believe in the Holy Trinity.
Oneness Pentecostals/Kingdom Hall Adherents/Mormons/Christadelphians, etc. no not.

Even a Protestant/Evangelical apologist admits it is a necessary Christian position:
Trinitarianism is the theological belief in Christianity that God is a Trinity. The Trinity is the teaching that there is only one God in all existence and that God exists in three distinct, simultaneous, co-eternal, co-powerful persons known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Trinitarianism is strictly monotheistic (there is only one God in all existence).

The term person is used to designate the attributes of each of the members of the Trinity having attributes such as wills, being able to love, to hate, to speak, to recognize the existence of others, etc.

The Trinity is one of the defining doctrines of Christianity. All true believers will come to accept the doctrine of the Trinity because that is what the Scriptures teach. So, the Trinity is a necessary Christian theological position, but sometimes it takes discipling and teaching before someone would come to accept the doctrine once he or she has become Christian.

**Did you miss the edition in Hebrews ? The writer interpreted the Psalm by writing But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, as just referenced in the post.**

Is the omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient Father not in the Son?

Do you not see that the scriptures use the phrase “the Son of God”, and never “God the Son”?

Where is the Son’s throne?......
“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am sit down with my Father in his throne”. Rev. 3:21

“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” John 1:18

(That was written some time after the apostle John had seen, heard, and handled the Son of God.)

“The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.” Psalms 110:1 (also partly quoted in Heb. 1:13)

What was David saying (under the inspiration of God), that there are two Lords of equal standing in every way, yet separate and distinct?

No, he was saying that one is THE Lord, and another that is “my Lord”.
The “my Lord” came forth from THE Lord. That’s why he is called the Son OF God.

Following the ascension, the scriptures say the Son is standing or sitting at the right hand of God, or in his bosom.

Yet the Father is in the Son. (Where is the Father NOT at?)

The problem with the natural man is that he wants to make God the Father visible in a separate image (as is commonly seen in paintings and art. From his own testimony, (the liar) Joseph Smith, claimed to have seen two men in a vision, one the Father, the other the Son, thus seeing something no other man has ever seen.

**Even a Protestant/Evangelical apologist admits it is a necessary Christian position:**

Yes, he probably agrees that it took 3 centuries to get an agreement on what defines the Godhead. His description is that of a schizophrenic: one person with three personalities.

Everything divine originates from God the Father. Paul said: “Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort.” 1Cor. 1:3

God specifically calls the Son "God" in the inspired New Testament interpretation of the Old Testament Psalm, as previously referenced:

Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

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But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

**God specifically calls the Son “God” in the inspired New Testament interpretation of the Old Testament Psalm, as previously referenced:**

If the Father is present in the Son, then God is present in the Son. One can speak to the image of God, for God is there.

If one insists that the Son, is God, and separate and distinct from God the Father, then one has taken God the Father out of the Son of God (which isn’t possible). Notice that the one addressing the Son, says: “..therefore God, even thy God...”.

The Son of God has a God over him. (Remember John 20:17, “..my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” ?)

The Son even cried out from the cross: “...My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (from Mark 15:34)

If there is no God the Father present, then God is not present.

More to think about....

Isaiah 40:10 “Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.”

Isaiah 42:1-4, shows somebody talking about “his servant”.

Who is talking about who?

Isaiah 42:5 “Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk upon it:”

In that verse, it appears to me that God is giving himself a well deserved pat on the back. Then he proceeds to speak directly to someone:

Isaiah 42:6,7 “I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.”

Who is saying: “called thee”, “will hold thine hand”, “will keep thee”, and “will give thee”?

Several post back, I asked you to label in parentheses the person or persons of God being identified in the passages you quoted in your previous post. I noticed that you chose not to. Could you attempt to do that in the above verses?

Back to Isaiah 42...

“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.” (vs 8)

Speaking of graven images....

“They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know, that they may be ashamed. Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing? Isaiah 40:9 and 10

“The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in his house.” vs 13

Is the continuation of the theme still seen at the end of verse 19?... “...shall I fall down to the stalk of a tree?”

Have you ever believed that Jesus is God or have you always denied Jesus is God ?

**Have you ever believed that Jesus is God or have you always denied Jesus is God ?**

Is that a “Have you stopped beating your wife?” question?

“Jesus” is the Father’s name that the Son of God came in (although I realize that you were referring to the Son in that question):

“I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” John 5:43

The Son admitted right there that his name was not his own. He inherited it:

“Being made so much better than the angels, as he by inheritance hath obtained a more excellent name than they.” Heb. 1:4

You don’t inherit something that you have always had. (and “being made”? God is not made).

If you approach your view of the Godhead with a “three, separate and distinct co-equal persons”, teaching, the result is division.

I don’t base my understanding of God with descriptions that are not in the scriptures. Did the apostles ever use the description: three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead? Did they ever use the phrases: God the Son, or God the Holy Ghost? Did they ever describe the Son of God as “God the Lord Jesus Christ”?

When you try to define the Son as God, without the Father, then you are actually omitting God. (See 1John 2:22,23)

There is simply no separation.

It was a question as to whether you have always been in Oneness Pentecostalism or whether you transitioned from another faith.

“Jesus” is the Father’s name that the Son of God came in (although I realize that you were referring to the Son in that question):

Jesus is the Son's name, which you erroneously call the Father's name. Do you also claim The Word in the Gospel of John is the Father and that the Father was made flesh ?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses one to fourteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

**It was a question as to whether you have always been in Oneness Pentecostalism or whether you transitioned from another faith.**

Calvinist, for my first 28 yrs. attended a little country church, with quite studious members. Thoroughly taught terms and phrases of the “trinity”, which are not found in the scriptures, such as “three co-equal, separate and distinct persons in the Godhead”, “God the Son”, “God the Holy Ghost”, and “the trinity”.

I asked you to identify the person or persons of God, in scriptures that you and I referred to, using parentheses to label them. That should be easy for trinitarians. Only thing is, the inspired writers apparently were not inspired by God to write what trinitarians are reading into the passages. A good example of reading into a passage with carnal understanding, is the using of John 1:1-14, to declare that the Word is the separate and distinct, God the Son.

The Son said that the words were not his, but the Father that dwelt in him. Do you deny that? Are trinitarians trying to isolate the Word, from God the Father, in order to support a theory? Do you believe that the Father is not present in the Son in John 1:1-14?

Verse 18 would be a good verse to try and label as I suggested:

“No man hath seen God”..(God the Father and/or “God the Holy Ghost”)..” at any time; the only begotten Son,”...(God the Son)..”which is in the bosom of the Father,”..(God the Father)..”he”..(”God the Son”)..”hath declared him”..(God the Father).

Unfortunately, labeling it that way is declaring that part of God is not invisible, making John a liar.

That type of reasoning makes the first part of the verse require mental labeling to match a preconceived idea.

**Jesus is the Son’s name, which you erroneously call the Father’s name.**

I gave you verses contrary to what you are saying there, proving your refusal to follow the plain written testimony.

**Do you also claim The Word in the Gospel of John is the Father and that the Father was made flesh ?**

Are you excluding the Father from those verses?

John said that any one that has the Son, has the Father also.