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One thousand current and former Mormons march on church HQ in Salt Lake City demanding an end...
DAILY MAIL UK ^ | Mar 30, 2018 | ap

Posted on 03/30/2018 7:46:31 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: faithhopecharity

The lds church’s new policy is not very effective. It’s meant to derail the current movement to protect children.


41 posted on 03/31/2018 5:23:56 AM PDT by Degaston
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To: JAKraig
If you ask what is morally clean he will ask if you are having sex with anyone (outside of marriage).

Thank GOD they are not repeating what Jesus reportedly said!!

b Matthew 5:27-28



42 posted on 03/31/2018 5:24:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bone52
Many members can’t go to the temple.

Kinda screws up the "Forever Family" mantra.

It must be HELL; being a Mormon who KNOWS that he/she will NOT be residing on the top level for eternity; while others in his/her family will be!


 

HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

Celestial - for Mormons who have kept ALL of the laws and ordinances of their church.
Terrestrial - for religious people who aren't Mormons and for Mormons who have not met the requirements of the Church.
Telestial - where unbelievers go
 
 
 
HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.

 

SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:

The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".


43 posted on 03/31/2018 5:28:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bone52
He knew the standard and didn’t live up to it.

Ah; but the 'standard' can change a wee bit over time.


Compare today's TR questions with these older ones.

I've yet to find; in LDS writings; just WHEN and to WHOM GOD spoke to make these changes:


 
 
 
TR questions: the good ol' days...
 
 
 

Temple Recommend Questions: 1857

 1. Have you committed murder by shedding innocent blood, or consenting thereto?
 2. Have you betrayed your brethren or sisters in anything?
 3. Have you committed adultery, by having any connection with a woman that was not your wife, or a man that was not your husband?
 4. Have you taken and made use of property not your own, without the consent of the owner?
 5. Have you cut hay where you had no right to, or turned your animals into another person’s grain or field, without his knowledge and consent?
 6. Have you lied about or maliciously misrepresented any person or thing?
 7. Have you borrowed anything that you have not returned, or paid for?
 8. Have you borne false witness against your neighbor?
 9. Have you taken the name of Deity in vain?
10. Have you coveted anything not your own?
11. Have you been intoxicated with strong drink?
12. Have you found lost property and not returned it to the owner, or used all diligence to do so?
13. Have you branded an animal that you did not know to be your own?
14. Have you taken another’s horse or mule from the range and rode it, without the owner's consent?
15. Have you fulfilled your promises in paying your debts, or run into debt without prospect of paying?
16. Have you taken water to irrigate with, when it belonged to another person at the time you used it?
17. Do you pay your tithing promptly?
18. Do you teach her family the gospel of salvation?
19. Do you speak against your brethren, or against any principle taught in the Bible, Book of Mormon, book of Doctrine and Covenants, revelations given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and the Presidency of the Church as now organized?
20. Do you pray in your family night and morning and attend to secret prayer?
21. Do you wash your body and have your family do so, as often as health and cleanliness require and circumstances will permit?
22. Do you labor six days and rest, or go to the house of worship, on the seventh?
23. Do you preside over your household as a servant of God, and is your family subject to you?
24. Have you labored diligently and earned faithfully the wages paid you by your employers?
25. Do you oppress the hireling in his wages?
26. Have you taken up and converted any stray animal to your own use, or in any manner appropriated one to your benefit, without accounting therefore to the proper authorities?


 


44 posted on 03/31/2018 5:32:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JAKraig
Well, yes. It seems logical that someone who was out playing Tom Cat on Saturday night should not be taking communion on Sunday morning. But libtards have transformed society into being so non judgmental that anything goes unless, for example, you don't feel sufficient guilt about being a white male.

FWIW, many parents are quite comfortable letting their religious leadership counsel their children on things like sexual morality. My wife grew up in a Catholic/Methodist household and was never comfortable about counseling our daughters about such things until they were well into their teen years.

Dad was their source of information before then. I didn't mind filling the void because I knew all about the alternative sources of such information and most of them were not good.

If you have a trusted religious leader whom you know to be moral and decent, just ask yourself if you want your child to get this kind of information from them, from you (if you are one of the few parents who are willing) or, by default, from a left-wing school, peers or Hollyweird.

Not a tough choice, IMHO.

45 posted on 03/31/2018 5:37:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: Elsie
https://www.google.com/search?q=changes+in+Temple+Recommend+Questions&ie=&oe=
 
 
 

46 posted on 03/31/2018 5:40:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vigilanteman
FWIW, many parents are quite comfortable letting their religious leadership counsel their children on things like sexual morality.

Well; we Mormons should jess tell our youngens to emulate our beloved Founder; Joseph Smith.

Surely a more moral and sexuality knowledgeable individual could not be found!

--Mormon_Dude(Hail Joseph!)



47 posted on 03/31/2018 5:44:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Spencer Kimball was a B-1 bomber dropping a full load of 1000 lb guilt bombs.

The intent of checking for worthiness has a veneer of good intent. The practice of checking for worthiness creates a soul-killing culture of lying, evasion, blaming, outward conformity and policing.


48 posted on 03/31/2018 6:22:48 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Elsie

Nice reply. Doesnt mean anything to me though.


49 posted on 03/31/2018 7:04:24 AM PDT by crz
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To: crz
Doesnt mean anything to me though.

Or to many Mormons; either.


 



In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng

50 posted on 03/31/2018 10:07:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Whats your friggan angle. You trying to prove to me that Mormonism is a cult? If so, tell me something I already do not know.

Quite wasting bandwidth here with those posts.


51 posted on 03/31/2018 12:59:58 PM PDT by crz
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To: Morgana

Teenagers aren’t children.

Also, he can repent and then go to the temple.


52 posted on 03/31/2018 3:15:02 PM PDT by bone52
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To: crz
You trying to prove to me that Mormonism is a cult?

To anyone who is reading.

If something Mormon pops up that I know is deceptive or false; I'll post things directly from LDS sources.

If an LDS practice is alluded to, but not illustrated; I'll try to show the source.


I figure that knowledge never hurt anyone.

53 posted on 03/31/2018 6:29:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Look. All you have to do to prove the whole shebang is a cult is point out that the founder was a liar and a cheat.

The creep took a scroll and claimed he interpreted it, when it was simply nothing but a prayer scroll for an Egyptian priest. That was the beginning and he lied about just everything after. The man was a lunatic.

54 posted on 03/31/2018 7:39:07 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

You are; of course; correct.

But with chaos all around the world these days; folks are looking for stability in at least something.

The word cult will not turn off many folks if they think they’ve grabbed hold of a life raft.

Look at Glenn Beck. Life a wreck, falling apart, until someone showed him Mormonism.

I’d bet he’d heard about it and it’s errors; being raised Catholic, but the STRUCTURE of the theology (top down control) was familiar. The ACTUAL theology seems to have not made much of a difference to him.

But I’d have to ask him today, “How’s that workin’ out for you now?”


2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


55 posted on 04/01/2018 4:30:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck


56 posted on 04/01/2018 4:30:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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