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Have We Made a Mess of the Greatest Holy Spirit Movement in History?
Christian Post ^ | 04/09/2018 | Michael Brown

Posted on 04/09/2018 8:39:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Elsie

The Rock was struck once a long time ago. Jesus is that rock. He was struck once for all when He died once for all on the cross.

It is time for someone, known of God, to decide to lead a more perfect Church. As long as the men of God are satisfied with far less than perfect that is what we will have. Jesus said be ye perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect. We are all to seek and prove God’s good and acceptable will. We are not to be satisfied with mediocre or lukewarm.


81 posted on 04/10/2018 8:26:38 PM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus. He says absolutely amazing things, which few dare consider.)
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To: metmom
His conclusion was that the question should be (essentially) *Is what is being practiced today the same thing as the gift of tongues that was evidenced in the NT church?*

The gifts being practiced today are often worked up in the flesh. It is much harder to wait on The Living God for His real gifts to be poured out. It often involves correction, for one thing.

82 posted on 04/10/2018 8:31:16 PM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus. He says absolutely amazing things, which few dare consider.)
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To: Bellflower

I think it involves obedience as well, particularly obedience to the Great Commission to go out and preach and make disciples.

When the church is active in going, I really think then we’ll see the Holy Spirit really moving through the gifts, since they are not given to us to make us fat, dumb, and happy.

Churches have become little enclaves where Christians too often insulate themselves from the world and focus their attention there instead of on reaching the lost, which is God’s heart.

I thank God for someone who went out and shared the gospel, cause I certainly had no interest in connecting with a church for any reason. You could not have gotten me in one to hear there.


83 posted on 04/11/2018 3:56:08 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Bookshelf; unlearner; MHGinTN

Today many of the Jew have a very difficult time interpreting Isaiah. There are parts of it, such as the suffering servant, that they completely ignore because they can’t understand it. Yet Isaiah is the pivotal book which bridges the Old and New Testament and the calling of the Gentiles into the Kingdom.

I would suggest a lack of understanding of Revelation does not mean it is any less inspired. And, I might add, I have yet to have someone explain it to me so that it makes sense. I don’t think anyone really knows until Christ returns.


84 posted on 04/11/2018 9:07:21 AM PDT by HarleyD ("There are very few shades of grey."-Dr. Eckleburg)
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To: HarleyD

“Today many of the Jew have a very difficult time interpreting Isaiah. There are parts of it, such as the suffering servant, that they completely ignore because they can’t understand it.”

The Masoretic text was altered in some cases to follow what non-Christian Jewish leaders of that era assumed to be the most accurate. It is highly unlikely that they made decisions regarding textual accuracy without considering the impact on the debate with Jews who believed in Jesus as the Messiah.

While the Septuagint is merely a good translation of Hebrew scriptures and not the original source, it still may be more accurate in some cases than the Masoretic text.

The main reason Jews today do not pay much attention to latter portions of Isaiah is because the traditional readings in synagogues do not include these sections. And this has to do with history where they were at one time unable to read the books of Moses. Today passages read aloud in synagogues are either books of Moses or passages that directly relate to them as determined by past rabbis.

“Yet Isaiah is the pivotal book which bridges the Old and New Testament and the calling of the Gentiles into the Kingdom.”

The prophecies of the Old Testament not only includes Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection; they also proclaim salvation would come to the Gentile nations through a New Covenant which would be spread through the Gospel, the hearing of faith, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on people from ALL nations and languages.


85 posted on 04/11/2018 1:50:38 PM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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To: unlearner

Fifteen of 54 weekly Torah portions have haftarahs (additional readings) from Isaiah.


86 posted on 04/11/2018 1:58:17 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

“Fifteen of 54 weekly Torah portions have haftarahs (additional readings) from Isaiah.”

It appears I chose an unreliable source for the information about Isaiah. Others mention that Isaiah 53 is not read in synagogues, but the reason is not any diabolical plot to prevent congregants from reading it.

In Christian churches that do not follow a standardized liturgy, one might expect readings from any passage of scripture. However, some are more favored (in practice) than others, just as it is within Judaism.

The idea that the Masoretic text was altered due in part to an influence of Jewish Christianity (i.e. as a backlash to some of the claims of Jesus fulfilling ancient prophecies) is not original with me (obviously). But I think it is a reasonable explanation for some of the discrepancies between the the Masoretic text and other historical copies and translations (such as the Septuagint).


87 posted on 04/11/2018 2:25:41 PM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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To: metmom

I totally agree with you.

Mark 16:15 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 - And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 - They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


88 posted on 04/12/2018 7:35:07 PM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus. He says absolutely amazing things, which few dare consider.)
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To: metmom

They don’t want to see .....hard to believe so many don’t but then it’s silently slithered it’s way in like the snake that it is......nasty stuff they’re swallowing!


89 posted on 04/14/2018 3:10:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: Iscool; Bookshelf
Christian canon -- remember that canon means a collection of books - the Bible is a collection of books. the first instance of canon was by Marcion in 140 AD (the version Iscool adheres to, I believe, right?)

Canon was closed in 367 - and considering that John and the book of the Apocalypse was writen in the last 90s AD, it would make it less than 300 years

If, as you, Iscool state wrote it's own version... that means that the Bible in your hands, if it is a KJV etc. is not the "true version" in your opinion. unless you have a marcion bible

90 posted on 04/17/2018 12:28:04 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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