Posted on 05/15/2018 7:28:18 AM PDT by Salvation
Monsignor Pope Ping!
Not sure how the Apostle Paul could have taught the “whole counsel of God” within 20 years of the Resurrection if church doctors needed to continue to define it...
Not sure...needed to continue to define it.
It’s called, “the development of doctrine”, look it up with Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman.
If Paul taught the “Whole Counsel of God”, then what was left to develop? The “Whole Plus Some”?
The Heresy of Ba’al of Peor was the planned, sexual corruption of the Hebrews who were invincible when they were on God’s side. That specific instance became a type for the priests, an “object” in computerese, with Malachi 2:3: “I will smear the dung of your sacrifices on your faces,” because the sons of Levi had neglected to properly instruct the people. On Roe v Wade day of 2014, I heard a priest, positively wailing his homily, knowing that he would get slammed, because the Lord had instructed him to give the whole truth, including that abortion is pre-natal homicide, including that every act of the marital embrace must be open to human life; this priest dared not neglect the Lord’s command, the priest voluntarily took upon himself the responsibility, now he would be judged for it. The end of all we see, the destruction of the Vatican with its historical and art treasures, will be because you can never hear “the homily” about which the few young couples who do get to hear it remark, “why weren’t we told”?
Whole counsel of God is found in Scripture... with nothing added.
I for one welcome a commitment to the whole counsel of God. Including this passage from Paul...
Ephesians 2:8-9
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.”
No sacramental system of a “treasury of merit” exists, nor is needed for salvation.
This embraces the concept that there is NO conflict between the theological and the pastoral. Nor can one ever be sacrificed for the other.
Perhaps, as he knew it?
Knowledge through the Holy Spirit develops as one grows in maturity and holiness.
I have literally heard that from a daughter of a Minister, when she engaged in adultery.
But what did God say in 100 AD about human embryo therapies, mitochondrial transplants, the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, Artificial Intelligence, robotics, psychotropic drugs, transgender surgery, or Virtual Reality??
If the doctrines of the Faith were all there, totally complete, no more able to develop than a fly embedded in amber at the time of the Resurrection, why did Jesus say He would send the Holy Spirit?
Jesus says His followers will face trials, but not to worry when having to testify, because (Luke 12:12) "the Holy Spirit will teach you at that moment what you should say."
And "The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name—he will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you."(John 14:26)
Church doctrine does NOT reverse itself, does NOT contradict previous teachings, does NOT innovate into new "revelations," but it necessarily *develops* because of new challenges, new questions, new divisive arguments.
The Church generally doesn't define doctrines with great and urgent exactitude unless she has to in order to dispel some long-simmering or newly-flaring controversy.
As a mother, I may give the "whole counsel of God" to my children, but I expect they will outlive me by many decades, and will face situations I never dreamed of.
They'll need this organic, non-contradicting, interiorly-consistent, Spirit-sourced development of doctrine.
Not "the Whole Plus Some," but "the Whole Grows."
The Protestant idea that; I know it is against the laws of God and man, but I can do it anyway because I am saved, is destructive.
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That’s not a Protestant idea; that’s a Romanist straw man.
No: Paul taught the "whole counsel of God" as he knew it at the time, which is all he could claim to do or be held responsible for. It doesn't follow that no elaboration or deepening of understand can have happened in the 2000 years since then.
It's certainly the idea of some Protestants, because Luther said virtually the same thing verbatim.
It’s certainly the idea of some Protestants, because Luther said virtually the same thing verbatim.
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Two words, buddy.
Prove it.
If the doctrines of the Faith were all there, totally complete, no more able to develop than a fly embedded in amber at the time of the Resurrection, why did Jesus say He would send the Holy Spirit?
Hi MD-o. You are conflating the complete revelation in the canon with the application of the truth in the canon to developing situations.
Except our heretic pope is trying hard. Amoris is heresy. He refuses to answer the Dubia
True faith results in works. Works do not save.
Not many verses in Scripture more perverted by Rome than this one.
I'm grateful to be saved and know I have eternal life to look forward to in the presence of God.
Rome does just this, repeatedly. It has added to Scripture to support practices that are pagan in origin.
Except our heretic pope is trying hard. Amoris is heresy. He refuses to answer the Dubia
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It’s very sad.
Unfortunately this is ultimately what happens when so much power is concentrated in the hands of one man who isn’t Jesus. Eventually you’re going to get someone—or many someones—who will eagerly lead the people down the road to damnation.
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