Posted on 05/23/2018 10:19:09 PM PDT by Cronos
By this definition, you can't reject the Oneness Pentecostals right to be called evangelicals
That is not true. I know of groups that are evangelical and maintain the Nicene creed. Furthmore, the SBC, which is the focus of this article, is cleary Trinitarian.
Some such “classical Pentecostals,” however, do not believe in the Trinity; they are known as “Oneness Pentecostals” or “Jesus Only” Pentecostals. Their largest organization in the U.S. is the United Pentecostal Church, but most of their congregations use the word “Apostolic.”
or you can Read what the United Pentecostal Church says of itself.
Since there is no central doctrinal statement besides "Bible literally" and "by grace alone" - then the Oneness ARE Evangelicals.
The church is dead and God will judge them first.
Look at definition 3. Frankly, I don’t consider anti-trinitarians as Christians, despite any loose definition that might confer that title to them.
#2 Going on the above, do the groups you list hold to the beliefs in the Nicene creed (meaning saying "if you don't believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead (say), then you aren't in our definition evangelical"? I doubt that they do (though could be wrong).
#3 you are correct, the Southern Baptist are clearly those who believe in a Triune godhead, unlike the Pentecostals listed above
Evangelicals don’t “do” creeds.
And the SBC is getting weird again. They go through phases. We attended an SBC church for a few years but left for an independent Baptist church. A big convention is too organized; individual churches and members have less “say” in what’s going on.
Well it does say "of the 1970s", but if they hold to a conservative interpretation of the Bible then they should hold on to the conservative interpretation from the 9th century, right? :) Orthodoxy is ultra-conservative!
There is no real definition of evangelical except "Bible only" and "grace only" - and no definining authority. Since the Pentecostals say that the Bible doesn't use the word Trinity, then they are "bible only" and they are also "grace only". So you can't offhand reject them from the evangelical definition
Patterson rose to prominence in the 1970s while leading a conservative takeover of the Baptist Convention. He helped pass resolutions banning women as pastors and taught that women should be submissive to their husbands.
I'm not defending Patterson's comments as I don't know what they were....but I suspect his above position on banning women pastors and wives submitting to their husbands has a lot to do with this.
One of the goals of the Left is to get women into the pastor role. The SBC is one of the few remaining denominations to hold the Biblical line on this issue.
Cronos, I think the basic problem is the label evangelical. You have a very broad definition, which is not the definition Al Mohler would use, since he is also a Trinitarian.
Well, the good news is, as you said, they go through phases -- the only way forward is up. God speed!
I prefer the specific term rather than umbrella term in most cases -- for the same reason I don't use the term Protestants as that is even broader and it is not fair to club Baptists with Mennonites say...
Two questions: one, what Roman Catholic is arguing for that, and two, why would it be odd if they did?
What about female pastors like Paula White or Joyce Meyers? They seem conservative enough I guess
No For one, they are not following the biblical injunction against women pastors. Two, they preach the false health and wealth theology.
Or not, which is why he found himself in this mess.
Thanks for playing! Nobody is "denied divorce" "in Rome," in particular not abused spouses. What they are denied is divorce and remarriage, and they are denied that by the direct words of Our Lord in the Gospels.
i don’t think its relevant. What is relevant TO ME is that Mohler see’s the issue and is working on it before the media blows it up. Good on him!
Fine, but my original point is that the JWs are not evangelical, since they don’t meet any of the broad definitions you have presented.
I read last week that the term “evangelical” was a term invented in the 50s or 60s to somehow pigeonhole, divide, and separate Christians. Before that time no one ever used the term, and most Christians never even mulled the concept.
The term was invented by leftists who hated Christianity.
Sorta like how the term “Capitalism” was invented by Marx when there was already a valid descriptor known as “the free market”.
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