Posted on 06/14/2018 8:49:49 PM PDT by Maudeen
“They wanted a hierarchy badly, along with their 4000 year old earth.”
Talk about a flaky post.
“The Baptist leaders already tried to IGNORE the collapsing world around them, and instead spend all their time in the Bible...”
You may need to go back under your rock.
Sorry, I have clue who you are referring to by LC-MS and WELS.
...”Perhaps the Southern Baptist Convention has its own swamp to drain. Just sayin’. This country is in the mess it is in because the churches have been fence sitting. President Trump and Vice-President Pence in my opinion have been put in office “for such a time as this.”...
You are exactly right! I am a Southern Baptist and in a politically divided church, wonderful in many ways, and I can safely say that my Pastor, Adult Pastor, Children’s and Teen’s Pastor are all conservatives, but they dare not speak too plainly about this because I live in the most liberal county in my state and quite a few of the very active people in my church do not like President Trump. Even I measure my words in my SS Class, for one of my SS Sisters is a retired school teacher and very liberal, yet, she is a good person otherwise, but very misguided after long years in an academic family and through her experience in the Teacher’s union, etc. The Southern Baptist Association has had this political conflict for years. It may be worse now because the leadership has grown up in a world of materialism and political correctness. I hope the SBC will not go the way of the Catholic Church. As long as we continue to love our neighbors and to understand that we are sinners saved by grace and to love God with all our hearts, perhaps we will not fail in the Great Commission. That remains to be seen, though.
Guaranteed that Russell Moore is behind this. He wrote a book “Onward” a few years ago. The first half of the book takes the position that the protestant church has watered down its witness by becoming too associated with conservative, republican politics and that’s not the proper place of a church. Further, he argued the Christian should not be locked at the hip to any political affiliation but should stick to the Gospel of Jesus. To some degree, I appreciated the point he was making, but in the second half of the book he pretty much argues the church has an obligation to take the side of liberal positions and politics. He’s just trying to take the church down the progressive SJW political path. We see that in the far left editorials he often has published in the Washington Post, particularly on the issue of illegal immigration.
Then why didn't they invite a missionary rather than a politician to address their convention? Invite a politician, get politics. That should be no surprise.
Note that I did say the leaders, not the rank-and-file. Typically that’s how the Left operates - they penetrate at the top.
It's an unconstitutional rule that the IRS has never tried to enforce in court. It has never litigated the issue in court because it knows it would lose badly. It occasionally tries to intimidate a church here or there by threatening action but always backs down when challenged. In fact there's a day every year when a national group of pastors challenge this regulation by intentionally and publicly preaching partisan politics from the pulpit just daring the IRS to do something about it. They never have.
I am actually in agreement, in principle, with the SBC leaders.
I couldn’t stand it when Bill Clinton gave political speeches at churches, in affect laughing at Liberals own positions on “separation of church and state”.
Yes, there ought to be a hands off approach when it comes to sitting politicians and churches. That is in line with policies of government that should not impinge on religious freedom (like not baking a cake for someone), and is not foreign religious freedom and Liberty.
Sitting politicians should of course freely practice their personal faith, but making political speeches in churches can, rightly I think, be a symbol of the politician endorsing the church and the church endorsing the politician. For religious freedom and Liberty, that we do not need.
It doesn’t surprise me that the convention got politics from a politician. It doesn’t bother me one bit (I’m SBC).
Johnson’s law concerning political speech in churches was basically wiped out after Trump was in office a few months. We are free to talk about politics in our churches without hindrance of the government.
Probably one of the reasons that Pence was asked to speak. This administration did us a solid. Early on.
The Left mounts an assault every time the SBC has a meeting. Russell Moore could easily sit in with Obama and the globalists and they won’t get rid of his sorry ass.
“Most Southern Baptist churches have financial ties to the denomination that forbid them from leaving it.”
I’ve never been in an SBC church that had any financial ties to the SBC. I’ve moved around a lot, but I’ve never heard of a church that had financial ties to the denomination.
Our Church put the proposition of affiliating with the SBC to a vote a couple years ago and one of the selling points was the assistance it could provide in resources and finances for training promising candidates for future pastors in the seminary and resources for missionaries. The Church rejected the proposal. Before making a decision I researched the SBC. My conclusions was that their statement of faith and theology was rock solid and orthodox. BUT - it was Russel Moore and the things he promoted that convinced me to vote NO. Also the fact that there have been a lot more churches leaving the SBC over the past few years than joining it. I figured there has to be a reason for that.
I agree. We would like to add a small building to our small church. I always assumed the SBC would help arrange a loan, or be able to give advice on lowering cost of construction, or have teams of volunteers would could come help finish the inside.
Nope! The SBC hasn’t provided any advice, support, suggestions, resources. It is as if we are the first church in the SBC to ever look at expanding. So far, the only friendly advice we’ve received is from an Assembly of God church that let us visit and then talked about what they went through. I find it sad that an Assembly of God church offered more help than anyone in the SBC.
I also think the SBC seminaries have gone downhill. They seem more concerned about enrollment than standing firm. Just the opinion of a long time Baptist in the pews.
I use prophecy newswatch http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/ to begin my adult ladies SS class (agse 23-93). I just do a quick run down using the graphics I get in the daily updates via e-mail. I call it “The Bible in the News”. When it comes right down to it. . . everything we think, say and do is connected to the Bible. The first time I used it, half the class’s jaws dropped. They did not have a clue what is happening in the world against God’s precepts. You can’t argue Bible. . .it is what it is. . .God’s Word, His road map of life. Politics is throughout the Bible. . look at the kings, rulers, those in charge of the court, people, etc. We just have to be a walking testimony wherever we go and it sounds like you are!
PC should mean politically corrupt not politically correct. What’s PO mean? Post Offfic? Politically obtuse? I need coffee.
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