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The Called Out Ones
Unsealed ^ | 6-19-2018 | Gary

Posted on 06/19/2018 8:43:07 AM PDT by amessenger4god

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To: robroys woman

I would agree with that.


61 posted on 06/21/2018 5:15:17 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: Campion

Your absurd post exposes your lack of comprehension regarding the Bride of Christ. THAT Bride will have Baptists, Methodists, some Mormons, even some Catholics. THAT Bride is not defined by which ism but by Whom they believe is their Savior and Lord and have been Born from Above in this life. ... Try it, you’ll like it immensely.


62 posted on 06/21/2018 5:35:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: imardmd1; metmom; MHGinTN; amessenger4god
Obviously, the intent was to highlight what the original Gospel was(="Jesus saves") as compared to some modern presentations that propagate another gospel of a different kind (="the Church saves"), so that the reader might begin to appreciate that the True Gospel is still available and shared.

Those who are complaining of anti-Catholicism here, no doubt must be the ones who also believe in the "other" gospel that their Church saves them.

63 posted on 06/21/2018 5:55:52 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: alexander_busek

Based upon the b itterness you’re exposing of self, perhaps it is your Salvation that should be your issue.


64 posted on 06/21/2018 6:04:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
Based upon the b itterness you’re exposing of self [...]

Ah, yes: Imputing negative character traits where, in fact, no such traits were ever displayed. A variety of ad hominem, I believe - but maybe also an example of projection?

Regards,

65 posted on 06/21/2018 8:56:21 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Ah, yes: Imputing negative character traits where, in fact, no such traits were ever displayed. A variety of ad hominem, I believe - but maybe also an example of projection?

I don't know about you but I think ridiculing and mocking others' faith on a Religion Forum thread could be seen as a negative character trait.

66 posted on 06/21/2018 9:36:19 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: boatbums

A dead soul cannot see its own flaws unless GOD whispers an indictment. Perhaps one posting has ignored the still small voice?


67 posted on 06/21/2018 10:14:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: boatbums; metmom; MHGinTN; amessenger4god; Mark17; daniel1212
Those who are complaining of anti-Catholicism here, no doubt must be the ones who also believe in the "other" gospel that their Church saves them.

That the local assembly of fellow disciples summonedκλητός to regularly meet together for the breaking of bread, instruction in the Apostles' doctrine, and sharing life's exigencies in prayer and care is not without great merit, for it is God's agent to excite progressive sanctification.

And, like a city on a hill, should be broadcasting the rays of the Gospel to light men's path to the Cross.

But to displace the Christ of The Cross as the Saving Agent and insert a fallible organization of humans in His place is an unconscionable unhumble overestimation of the authority delegated to it by the Master.

He has a solution for it:

Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works;
or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."

(Rev. 2:4,5 AV)
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them."
(Is. 20:8 AV)

Let the denominational Protestant bishoprics likewise hear what the Spirit saith to the churches of all time.

68 posted on 06/22/2018 12:42:53 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: boatbums
I don't know about you but I think ridiculing and mocking others' faith on a Religion Forum thread could be seen as a negative character trait.

People who publicly make bold assertions and claim (sometimes arguing vehemently) that they are logical are tacitly inviting others to "shoot them down" - i.e., to expose their fallacious reasoning, specious facts, or other rhetorical shortcomings. And the author of the article himself has not minced words in vigorously attacking others' faith (calling the religions held by about three-quarters of humanity "counterfeits"). What's good for the goose...

The fact that I have advanced my counterarguments here in a light-hearted fashion (to whit: my example of the religion of the fictitious "Fungo-Fango Tribe") should not be confused with "ridicule" or "mockery."

And I still have no idea how you come to accuse me of "bitterness."

All in all, I think I was providing an invaluable service in exposing the author's fallacious reasoning, and in helping other FReepers to improve their critical thinking skills.

Regards,

69 posted on 06/22/2018 9:06:28 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek; boatbums; Elsie
I doubt that the "holy scriptures" of the Fungo-Fango tribe have the same validity as the Judeo-Christian collection of writings that are claimed to be God-inspired, progressively revealed over a period of about a millenium and a half, and perfectly preserved.

This authoritative library of wisdom not only describes human nature to a "T," its invariability across cultures (including that of the Fungo-Fangos), and show how to deal with those human behaviors. It should be mentioned that the Judeo-Christian literature has as well a predictive element of global human history shown to have occurred as prophesied, recorded in non-inspired but reliable records in detail.

Of course, you probably know that the Fungo-Fangos are not a primitive society, but one decadent from a more highly developed state that at one time broke off from others and decided to invent their own rules and "morality"?

It would be instructive to learn why your logic here is not circular in itself, except as you provide a timeline of their history and how their non-Biblical life style came about. What is curious is that they still have some form of recording their ideas, and have some kind of invariable standards by which their records can be compared to be considered "holy."

How was this done apart from the Moving Force that yielded the common "Western" (?) way of dealing with human behaviors?

70 posted on 06/22/2018 10:02:08 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
I doubt that the "holy scriptures" of the Fungo-Fango tribe have the same validity as the Judeo-Christian collection of writings that are claimed to be God-inspired, progressively revealed over a period of about a millenium [sic] and a half, and perfectly preserved.

You see, you are beginning, right at the outset, with a hardly-concealed prejudice against the Fungo-Fango religion (about which you know next to nothing) and in favor of the Judeo-Christian collection of writings. Not exactly the proper frame of mind in which to begin an impartial comparison!

As far as being "God-inspired" – there are hundreds of mutually-exclusive religions and sects around the world that make the same claim. Indeed, it is very rare that one encounters a religion that begins by admitting, "These are just some notions that someone who was kinda smart once wrote down, with no claim to divine inspiration." It's positively refreshing when one does.

As far as being "perfectly preserved" – I guess that's why there's only a single version of the Bible, with the exact same number of books, and no general dispute about disparate formulations in any passages.

Regards,

71 posted on 06/22/2018 10:50:46 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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You see, you are beginning, right at the outset, with a hardly-concealed prejudice against the Fungo-Fango religion . . .

My approach to the F-F sect is of course prejudiced, and unabashedly so. I did not hide that. Everyone has some standard against which they evaluate new information. If your claim is true, that there is any such thing as a Fungo-Fango culture that is not based on the will of the Christian God, then it is a splinter of humans who have first rejected, then forgotten, the God of the Bible Who created them.

There is no "impartial" comparison that does not confirm the existence of the God of the Bible, and doing so, then becomes itself partial, as is an ignorantly proposed denial. The only impartial entity in the universe is God Himself. It is one of His attributes, according to His Word.

there are hundreds of mutually-exclusive religions and sects around the world that make the same claim.

Name the first hundred, please.

As far as being "perfectly preserved" – I guess that's why there's only a single version of the Bible, with the exact same number of books, and no general dispute about disparate formulations in any passages.

There is, and it is within the boundaries of the Masoretic Hebrew Text and the Byzantine/majority textform. The prophet David records that his God has said so in the inspired Pslam 12, verses six and seven. The spiritual man reads and believes, wheras the spiritually blind reasoner finds fault at and argues about it. In fact, you cannot prove what I just wrote is wrong.

It is foolish and fallible humans that dispute. It is for that reason that The God wiped out the entire human race except eight faithful souls, from whom all current humans spring. Their ancestors' reasonings were only evil continually, opposing their Creator, as you seem to be doing here.

72 posted on 06/22/2018 5:52:23 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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