Posted on 08/08/2018 9:18:35 AM PDT by sitetest
I don’t buy that there was any change in discipline. I think the bishops were happily doing the same the thing up until the media grabbed it. And all the changes after they were exposed and caught probably didn’t really make a difference either. I think it’s just that less gay men join the priesthood now, at least in western countries.
Is a US born priest more or less likely to be gay if he is over 60 years old, in your opinion?
Freegards
As we see in the case of mccarrick, bishops hide settlements. Even now. mccarrick’s settlements came after the scandal, and were not general knowledge until recently.
Who said the sodomites are restraining themselves? An 18 year-old is almost as good as a 16 year-old, and in the John Jay report, we see that most victims were post-pubescent adolescents, not actual small children. Moving from 15 and 16 year-olds to 18 and 19 year-olds is not such a big sacrifice if you’re trying to stay out of prison.
At my sons’ high school, it turned out that the chairman of the theology department was an active homosexual, and abused an underage student. But that was in the 1990s, BEFORE the scandal. He was only recently discovered right before my second son graduated in 2014. There have been no further accusations about abuse of underage young men since then. But he remained an active sodomite through the 90s, the 2000s, and the 2010s. He seems to have managed to screw only legal adults since the scandal broke.
Thus, it would suggest that increased enforcement led to less illegal behavior.
‘...the chairman of the theology department was an active homosexual”
When was he ordained? In any case, in general, older priests seem like they are more likely to be light in the loafers. At least to me.
“Moving from 15 and 16 year-olds to 18 and 19 year-olds is not such a big sacrifice if you’re trying to stay out of prison.”
I don’t believe they can discipline themselves to do this generally.
Freegards
No, he wasn’t ordained. But, interestingly, the whole thing was hushed up. Neither the ordained (homosexual) rector, nor the (homosexual) superior of the order’s region, nor his (homosexual) successor of the chairmanship of the department, nor the two immediate (homosexual) former rectors, all ordained priests, seemed to think this scandal needed any public airing at all. My son was in the sodomite’s theology class when the sodomite was escorted out, and knew some of the principals involved.
Then it disappeared.
Makes you kind of wonder how much of the perversion since the Jay report is really being reported.
When were all the priests ordained? It seems to me the young priests don’t seem to swish as much as the older priests.
As far as the John Jay reports go, I would have to see evidence that the billions in settlements have continued at the same rate for modern abuse, but secretly somehow. I don’t buy it.
I think the decline in reported abuse is simply due to less gay priests. It was nothing any bishop or Pope did for whatever motive, in my opinion. It was just human nature colliding with culture. The gays didn’t have to become priests to hide anymore, the broader culture started to accept them. Less abuse by priests. Like the sun came out in a vampire movie without any hero using stakes.
Freegards
“It seems to me the young priests don’t seem to swish as much as the older priests.”
The 33 year-old priest who became pastor of my parish in 2013 or 14 was “swishy.” And mean as hell. And was “tight” with both mcmarrick (who got him to transfer to Washington from Colorado) and wuerl, who appointed him to be a pastor.
The young associate at the parish where most of our homeschooling activities took place was “swishy.”
Most of the seminarians (!!) who were run through a local parish we often went to were “swishy.” And in retrospect, I have my questions about the former pastor, there.
One of the two young priests at my current parish is “swishy” (as are most of the older ones).
In light of the mccarrick scandal, as I look back, most of the priests I’ve known, young and old, were “swishy.” And even the ones who seemed straight, now, I wonder.
In fact, often, where I see the largest number of new vocations, I see a lot of “swish.”
As for secret settlements, the John Jay report included cases of folks who worked for Catholic institutions. But, if a settlement was made at my sons’ high school, it is secret. And whether there was a settlement or not, it happened, and was hushed up. In the spring of 2014. Not 1974. I looked at judicial records for the state in which the school is located. No court records of any charges. So, I don’t think it was prosecuted. Nothing ever appeared in the newspapers. But my son was there when the bugger was escorted permanently out of the school, and as I said, knows one of the people involved. It happened, but I don’t think you’ll find it in the Jay report, or anywhere else. At all.
If by “fewer homosexual priests,” you mean it’s dropped from 50% to 45%, I’ll buy that. If you mean from 50% to 20%, that’s no longer credible.
Failure to be accepted by broader society is not what attracts sodomites to the priesthood. They are not running FROM something, but TO something: An all-male brotherhood where they will be ensconced in a homosexually-dominated environment. Guaranteed room and board. Free healthcare. Parishioners often provide direct gratuities to those who have a scintilla of charm. Many have housekeepers, cooks, secretaries. If they’re actually good at something, few priests are obligated to turn over their outside earnings anymore. They get to wear dresses, and liturgical garments can be so chic. At relatively young ages, they enjoy a standard of living that most people don’t achieve until middle age. And up until the present time, apparently, all the sex you want with your brothers. Target-rich environment. What’s not to like??
fyi - Michael Voris is going beyond letter writing, organizing a rally or outdoor group to attend the USCCB meeting in November. I just don’t know about that, I’m all for communication, but do you think Catholics should be rabble-rousers in the street?
Had a priest tell me once that the homo takeover started sometime after V2. By about 1975 virtually every man who entered the seminary was gay. This trend continued thru 1980’s and 1990’s, pervasive worldwide. It tapered off in 2000’s, but is by no means all clear. Abuse scandal (no one wants to go to jail) & 2005 Papal letter may have helped, but hard to guess. The gays who came early on, are now middle aged, old, and/or in high positions?
I guess it’d depend on the nature of the event. I do think it’s time to confront these apostates face-to-face. But the content and nature of that encounter is another question.
If they want to be come clergy there are now plenty of places that will take them where they don’t have to hide anything at all, in fact they will be celebrated and put into positions of leadership openly with their partner, as well as being married.
As far as if the Church is plagued with more homosexuals now or 1978, I reckon time will tell. You have your observations, I have mine and they differ. The majority of older priests seem fruitier and are more liberal than younger priest that I have observed.
Freegards
1. I don't at all discount the motives and actions of the devil. His favorite target is the Catholic Church. Thus, he directs the most ammunition at the Church.
2. Perhaps, in part, due to No.1, a lot of homosexuals want to be priests in the “real deal.”
3. Many homosexuals are born into Catholicism, and feel that their identity as Catholics is their birthright. If they're going to be clergy, it will be as CATHOLIC clergy. This occurs with homosexual Catholic laity, too.
In many ways, life in the Church would be much easier if the homosexuals all decamped for parts elsewhere, and left us in our heterosexual “misery.” Some do depart. Many become irreligious. But many stay and try to shoehorn themselves into the life of the Church even while maintaining that in some way, their “activities” are acceptable, and they often demand quite militantly the acceptance and approval of others.
My sense is the percentage of homosexuals hasn't changed much. What has changed is that the younger homosexuals are generally more orthodox than the more openly liberal older priests. But the old liberals are often less hypocritical.
“My sense is the percentage of homosexuals hasn’t changed much.”
My sense is the opposite. I think the reduction in reported abuse is a sign of that. I don’t buy that the homosexuals policed themselves, or that anything was done by the leadership. I just think there was less of a reason for them to join the priesthood, especially post-2002 or so when so many became aware of the abuse crisis and the culture embraced them so much that some states made it illegal to discriminate against them and ‘gay marriage’ started to become recognized as an issue.
Not that the current outrage and examination of the older gay leadership and their continuing scandal isn’t needed or a good thing. I hope the greater exposure just keeps rolling.
Freegards
The bishops and clergy may think they’re Lucy, but I’m not playing Charlie Brown.
That the levels of abuse have really fallen is no longer credible, because if the clergy asserts it, the most reasonable conclusion is that it’s a lie.
I personally know of at least one cover-up that came to light only in 2014 that would, if not covered up, increase the count of abuse cases in the 1990s by at least one Church-affiliated abuser, and at least half a dozen priests who actively engaged in the cover-up.
There is no proof that there aren’t thousands more cases like that. And as I said, I’m not Charlie Brown, so “Lucy” isn’t going to get any benefit of the doubt at all here.
The clergy are liars. They have been liars for at least a hundred years. There is no change that indicates they won’t be liars a hundred years from now.
Regardless, though I’m skeptical that the number of historical cases isn’t still increasing rapidly, it really doesn’t matter.
Sodomite clergy are weak, and thus, likely cowards. I have no problem believing that as the secular society tightened the noose on those sodomites screwing 15 year-olds (a tightening that I witnessed personally, as psychotherapists became legally obligated to turn in child abusers to law enforcement), they switched to a slightly older cohort to avoid prison time. It’s a small shift, and rats do what they gotta do to survive. A rat who previously dined on cheddar will eat Swiss if the cheddar becomes too dangerous.
And the stories coming out now about abuse in the seminaries is evidence that the homosexual network in the Church is still in charge, still recruiting fellow sodomites in large numbers, and is still forcing out good men.
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