As part of the Abraham accords it agreed to suspend a nascent plan to annex the West Bank. Note that this was still talk and it only postpones it, does not cancel it.
Posted on 09/17/2020 8:15:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
RE: A religion dedicated to the decapitation of no-believers doesn’t bod well for world peace.
Then riddle me this, how come Israel’s deal with Jordan has never been broken for 26 years and their deal with Egypt is still intact for 40 years after the 6 day wars and the Yom Kippur wars...
RE: Muslims will keep their agreements... but only so long as they think they have no hope of victory.
That’s why I said, STAY STRONG and REMAIN VIGILANT. I don’t think Israel is going to let her guard down. To do so would be suicide.
RE: I was not aware until recently that the Abraham accords GIVES part of Israel to the Palestinians for their own state!
Does it?
I thought that Trump’s brokering the agreement was NOT CONTINGENT on the Palestinian issue.
The PLO and Hamas have been so stringent and inflexible in their demands that Trump decide to put them aside and make negotiations on their future a SEPARATE issue.
This accord would not have come into place had the Palestinian issue been on the table.
Agreed. Reagan was right on most everything.
>>> Does it? I thought that Trump’s brokering the agreement was NOT CONTINGENT on the Palestinian issue.
The 100 page agreement reportedly includes a map which gives Palestinians a state within Israel.
That’s what I’m seeing in other videos about this “deal of the century”.
Could be wrong... still trying to get verification.
The Palestinian question is not decided in the accord. Annexation of the West Bank is “suspended” as of now. Think of kicking the can down the road. Nothing has changed on that issue other than “we’ll think about that later”. At some future point the Palestinians may get the West Bank for their state or Israel could annex it.
Ok.. i’m re-watching this video...
Looks like the Accords document REFERENCES Trump’s “Vision for Peace” SEVERAL times... which DOES include that map and division of Israel.
So.. while this does not apparently have it, it references that plan as the common goal.
here’s what i’m watching.. NOT that i agree with this guy on all things!;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJs9KMQuPSE
Firstly, it doesn’t give part of Israel - it gives Israel a breathing chance by formalizing that it cuts off the PLO.
Secondly, as per the Bible, there are Israelite territories in what is now Jordan and Saudi Arabia. That’s not changing
Well, thats good to hear....
I was scared to death that Trump was pulling a Bush on us.
What’s this about a Palestinian state within Israel then???
islam was already re-formed in the late 1700s by Al-Wahhab. Al-Wahhab and Al-Saud (the ancestor of MBS, the Saudi king) married each other’s daughers and the Saudi-Wahhabbi alliance was put in place.
Wahabbism re-formed Islam back to what it was in the 7th century.
Saudi Arabia is the empire of the Saud family when they conquered other tribes in the 1920s. They hold it by money (big welfare state) plus military plus religion (Wahhabiism).
MBS can’t change it further.
As part of the Abraham accords it agreed to suspend a nascent plan to annex the West Bank. Note that this was still talk and it only postpones it, does not cancel it.
About this UAE-Israel and Bahrain-Israel deal. Here’s what it is NOT
1. It is not a peace deal — the UAE and Bahrain have never been at war with Israel.
2. It is not about Palestine - the UAE and Bahrain are just interested in having a normal diplomatic relationship with Israel.
3. It is not contingent on any land giving or peace deal with the Palestinians - all the accord mentions is that Israel vaguely promises to shelve any plans of annexing the West Bank as a whole. Nothing about Israel annexing parts of the West Bank.
The fact is that in the UAE and Bahrain, the locals don’t give a damn about Palestine. They might have, years ago, but now they are fed up and they have the Sunni-Shia rivalry which is far more real and far more urgent (as both countries are on the Persian gulf)
The timeline of “Arab” relations with Israel are
1948-1970 —> the hey-day of pan-Arabism. This was led by secularists who created the United Arab Republic (of Syria and Egypt), the Baathists in Iraq and Syria and the Arab League. This fell apart as all countries realized that they don’t feel like brothers AND as political Islam came to the fore. Israel was the interloper - in a strictly secular sense
1971-2010 - the oil boom made the Saudis rich and enabled them to sponsor political Islam, jihadis etc.
Israel was the interloper in the religious sense
2011 - onwards: the new, OLD religious war between Sunni and Shia and the ethnic war between Arab and Iranian (both Kurds and Iranis) and between Turkic and Iranian (Kurds) is to the fore.
Israel is secondary to this 3-way conflict.
Actually it is a 4-way conflict
1. the Iranics (Iranians, Kurds) and tied to them the Shia “Arabs”
2. The Turks and their allies (well none right now)
3. The republican Arabs (Egypt, Sudan, Iraq)
4. The monarchical Arabs.
Israel is not a factor for ANY of these except as an excuse or a bogeyman.
But the “Death to Israel” doesn’t get the Arabs on the street anymore, nor the Iranians.
Israel is playing a good game of being quiet and not making waves. This is the right tactic.
Iranians as a people are sick of their Ayatollahs (60% plus say they are secular and the number of those secretly converting to atheism, Zoroastrianism and Christianity is increasing daily) and even the religious are against any conflict with Israel - it is too artificial for them.
Wait for Khamenei to die and then there will be an anti-Islamic revolution in Iran.
Syria doesn’t care about Israel except as a bogeyman - if Assad got a sop that he could sell to his people, he would be signing a peace deal with Israel tomorrow.
So what is the alternative?
for MBS, there is no alternative - he wants to consolidate his rule, and sticking close to the Wahabbis is the only way
Except he has a declining resource and the need to diversify his economy. Sand with no oil is worthless.
You are correct. That was the aim of NEOM, but it failed.
Remember
1. the Saudi empire is based on them handing out money, jobs for life etc. to the populace
2. they have 3000 princes - as Al-Saud the founder had 70 sons and multiple daughters from multiple wives - the current king is the son of the founder of Saudia
3. MBS will have to contend with those 3000 princes after his daddy dies
4. his war in yemen was a flop as was his intervention in Syria.
5. He can try to diversity his economy, but Saudis are lazy and outsiders would much rather go to Dubai/Sharjah/Abu Dhabi than Riyadh
Yes, this nonesense today is an attempted marxist takeover. There are far more of us than them. When they (leftists) get very brutal, and they will, the pushback will be overwhelming and final. We the people will prevail once again, we believe in God, good, and the Lords blessings. When He returns? Only He knows, it is foolish tospeculate.
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