Posted on 08/15/2021 7:27:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I thought it was going to be about why we shouldn’t worship with boring songs that don’t truly reflect a totally awesome God Who created us, died for us, knows us intimately, provides for us, leads us guides us, and gives us power to move mountains if only we trust Him.
I just can’t stand modern “worship” songs that repeat the same thing over again then repeat it some more
Hillsong has some very good worship songs. “Touch the Sky” is my favorite.
I think the older Hillsong was better than their newer stuff.
Interestingly, I have only bought ONE CD in which I liked every song on it. Not just tolerated, but actually liked.
It was a Matt Redman CD.
Strobe lights?
Smoke Machines?
You have got to be kidding me.
Good thing I converted to Catholicism years ago and have not had to deal with such nonsense.
When they show the words on the screen and it says repeat six times I think once is enough.
This whole article is nuts. Bethel Church is headed by Bill Johnson, who, among other heresies, believes the NAR doctrine of modern-day apostles who have the same powers as those of the Apostolic era. They believe these self-appointed apostles have the power to raise the dead, heal the sick, and do other miracles. Another heresy that Johnson promotes is the Gnosis heresy that Christ was only a man who was right with God, not really God, and that modern-day apostles can have the same power He had. Johnson is seen on YouTube espousing this heresy at a Hillsong gathering.
Look up Bethel Church of Redding, California. Look at Johnson claiming feathers and gold dust fall during his services as miraculous evidence of visitations of the Holy Spirit. His wife claims power from something called grave soaking wherein these apostles lie on the graves of dead religious leaders and can soak up their powers.
Bethel also has schools of supernatural ministry which teach “students” how to raise people from the dead and cure physical injuries and ailments. Just do a simple search on Bill Johnson and Bethel Church. Or, if you want to throw up, watch Heidi Baker, one of Bethel’s “apostles” conduct weird group hypnosis sessions that resemble Kundalini worship with chanting and the repetitive music that characterizes the extreme charismatic movement. The Johnsons combine it with New Age mysticism. I urged my church to stop using Bethel and Hillsong music after doing extensive research on these crooks. I was sickened by what I found.
Brian Houston of Hillsong is another NAR charismatic charlatan who is a money-making machine preying on gullible young people who worship his music. Watch the exposes of his Hillsong empire that Australian television has aired. They’re readily available with a Google search. A really shocking Hillsong-London Christmas extravaganza was a Roaring Twenties style parody of the Christmas carol, “Silent Night” that featured flappers dancing on table tops while male dancers bump and grind suggestively in the background. It can also be found with a Google search. It’s disgusting. Don’t support these people by using their music in church and paying royalties to do so.
Long on accusation.
Short on citation.
I recognize that pattern.
The burden of proof lies with The Accuser.
So, start proving.
John 14:12
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
The miracles of the apostles and Jesus are extended to all believers to request God to do. God, in His infinite wisdom and purpose, may choose to not answer yes - but the faith of the believer is a beautiful thing.
Your “smoke machines” are called censers. ;-)
“ Your “smoke machines” are called censers. ;-)
+1
Praise Him with the loud cymbals.
Praise Him with the well-tuned cymbals.
Me too. I despise it. I’ve stopped coming to my church on time and show up 15-20 minutes late so we all don’t have to endure it. My kids say the same as me.
Looking at the lyrics one can make a guess that the author was speaking to Jesus directly....though his name is never mentioned in the song. Doesn’t help anyone listening who doesn’t know about Christianity though I suppose it might prompt such a person to ask..”Who are you singing about?”
Stained glass windows, statues, candles for the dead and the use of incense smokers(censers) in some Catholic congregations...yes Catholic churches have used their own special effects over the years as have Episcopalians and many others...(Fried Chicken dinners for southern baptists, LOL. Don’t know if all the good food makes one more spiritual but it makes one comfortably sleepy).
Not saying what’s right or wrong but let us not be smugly self righteous about one’s choice of churches. They all have their own “special effects” even if a particular church strives for simplicity of worship.
Me personally...don’t mind a lot of praise and worship especially songs directly from scriptures and psalms that have the context of the scriptures right! I don’t like them repeated about about 8 times...let’s use the time to sing more songs.
Lift up holy hands in the sanctuary and bless the Lord? Yup...Loud cymbals ..check mark...it’s all in the Bible!
I think PA cited videos that could be found to prove his points though he didn’t supply any links. He has not been the first to make such claims against the Hillsong people.
I am still on the fence and have been trying to figure this out for myself for some time now... but I will say there have been a few songs I have heard, where at the time, I felt like something was not right with this song and then I go look it up after and it is from Bethel or Hillsong... I can’t put my finger on it, it is just a gut feeling that something is off. I don’t like it, because it detracts from worship, but I can’t control it, it is just there. When I asked my mom about it... she went off and sounded exactly like Morgan and has even gone to the church elders with her concerns, a big portion of their congregation feels the same way.
Question, just out of curiosity, because this was one of the first ones that my gut sent me a notification... I mean I like the tune, but that word seems wrong!
Do you believe God’s love is reckless??
“Reckless Love”
Before I spoke a word, You were singing over me
You have been so, so good to me
Before I took a breath, You breathed Your life in me
You have been so, so kind to me
Oh, the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God
Oh, it chases me down, fights ‘til I’m found, leaves the ninety-nine
I couldn’t earn it, and I don’t deserve it, still, You give Yourself away
Oh, the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God, yeah
When I was Your foe, still Your love fought for me
You have been so, so good to me
When I felt no worth, You paid it all for me
You have been so, so kind to me
Oh, the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God
Oh, it chases me down, fights ‘til I’m found, leaves the ninety-nine
I couldn’t earn it, and I don’t deserve it, still, You give Yourself away
Oh, the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God, yeah
There’s no shadow You won’t light up
Mountain You won’t climb up
Coming after me
There’s no wall You won’t kick down
Lie You won’t tear down
Coming after me
There’s no shadow You won’t light up
Mountain You won’t climb up
Coming after me
There’s no wall You won’t kick down
Lie You won’t tear down
Coming after me
There’s no shadow You won’t light up
Mountain You won’t climb up
Coming after me
There’s no wall You won’t kick down
Lie You won’t tear down
Coming after me
There’s no shadow You won’t light up
Mountain You won’t climb up
Coming after me
There’s no wall You won’t kick down
Lie You won’t tear down
Coming after me
Oh, the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God
Oh, it chases me down, fights ‘til I’m found, leaves the ninety-nine
And I couldn’t earn it, I don’t deserve it, still, You give Yourself away
Oh, the overwhelming, never-ending, reckless love of God, yeah
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