Posted on 03/24/2022 9:07:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Drinking is not wrong. Drunkenness is wrong.
It was watered down, for everyday use as a safer alternative to the often tainted drinking water of the time. That does not mean it was ALWAYS watered down. When celebrating, or feasting, wine was certainly drank in a form which could intoxicate, otherwise the Bible wouldn't have included so many admonitions against getting intoxicated by drinking it. The Bible even gives us a story about a quite holy person, Noah, drinking wine to the point of drunkeness, which completely contradicts your silly argument.
"With regards to Jesus creating wine; He coiuld create nothing imperfect, and fermentation is a break down of perfect juice."
The Bible says nothing of the sort, this is just a theological invention of yourself or some other imperfect person. God created grapes, and he created yeast, and he created the chemical process of fermentation. Who are you to say any of those things is "imperfect"???
I refuse to change my rational conduct because someone else cannot behave themselves rationally. It is what liberals want us to do. It is why muslims demand women cover up because the muslim men are savages and cannot behave.
Jesus turned water into wine.
Puritans were also very apt brewers. They didn’t hide it, nor were they falling down drunks.
If one needs a mind-altering “substance” to feel better or get through some stress, that person does NOT believe what God has to say.
Sorry, but it’s the truth; you’ve just put something else as god over your life.
Happy to read your testimony! Good words.
I am a Southern Baptist, born and raised Catholic. When my mom passed away, I took my Southern Baptist wife and inlaws up north for the funeral. My inlaws were shocked when the priest came into the wake and popped open a beer. Mom-in-law talked about it the rest of her life.
I agree that the Bible does not forbid alcohol, but Southern Baptist doctrine says otherwise. OK with me - I like beer but can easily live without it.
Not to mention that the Bible specifically,states that the vine was created to “cheer the hearts of man”. I dontmget particularly cheerful,when drinking grape,juice.
Also, the wedding feast, what usually happened was that weddings woild,start by giving the good wine first, when people were stil, sober and could,appreciate the good wine more, then as people,became drunk, the host would Trott out the old less palatable wine because bynthen everyone was too drunk to notice or care.
The miracle of the feast was that Jesus created the best wine after people were already drunk. He didn’t create cheap wine to pawn off on the inebriated guests. He gave them the best. Jesus doesn’t deal in junk. Weddings were a time of getting together and “getting cheerful” via the vine that was created to cheer men’s hearts
I say this all as a non drinker,,and am not encouraging people,to drink, but it shouldnt be discouraged either for those that can handle it- I happen to be one who cant- and so must as best I can avoid it. These are points that were brought out by Jewish scholars who studied ancient customs.
It is not me, the phrase “uncover —————— nakedness” means to fornicate with the persons wife. Noah got drunk, his sons covered up the act. The guilty son was cursed to always be a servant and never the master.
Nope, until the fall of mankind, which brought a curse upon everything (all of creation), there was no death, decay, and no fermentation. I’ve done my homework pal. Having studied this subject in depth for many years, and havingn read the word of God well beyond a 125 times; I know what I’m talking about. I’ll say it again, Jesus did not create a 180 gallons of an intoxicating beverage; and that’s the reason why those at the wedding, essentially said, it was the best. It was perfect!
“havingn read the word of God well beyond a 125 times”
Well, then you should be able to post the verse of the Bible that says God didn’t invent fermentation. Good luck with that.
“This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”
1 John 5
Once again, fermentation is a process of decay, a result of the curse that took place in the Garden when man disobeyed God. Fermentation is darkness, and as the above verse demonstrates, there is no darkness in God, and Christ is God. He could not, and never would create that which is part of the darkness; which comes “to steal, kill, and destroy (the works of fermentation).
“Once again, fermentation is a process of decay, a result of the curse that took place in the Garden when man disobeyed God.”
So says you, but you are just an imperfect person, and the sayings of imperfect people are not reliable. I am waiting for you to post a Bible verse that says what you are claiming.
“Once again, fermentation is a process of decay, a result of the curse that took place in the Garden when man disobeyed God.”
Once again, so says you, and you are just a man. Once again, you haven’t posted a verse that actually mentions fermentation, or wine, or drink, or any other related subject that is actually relevant to the question (and there are plenty such verses in the Bible to choose from).
I see, so you are an Abolitionist. I got it, and you follow the writings of an abolitionist. I can read and interpret scripture for myself thank you. I have a Companion Bible, a King James Bible and can use an Concordance. What else do I need but the ability to read?
How about the need to “rightly divide the word of truth.”
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