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Christianity's decline likely due to collapse of marriage, fatherhood: survey
Christian Post ^ | September 26, 2023 | Samantha Kamman

Posted on 09/26/2023 4:16:05 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: Jyotishi

Oh ffs, nobody is going to read a scroll of text longer than my hallway.

All it does is interfere with reading the thread.


61 posted on 09/26/2023 10:00:20 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Secret Agent Man

Your constant complaints about and against women remind me of the Adam.. Curious the mind of the man when asked what he had done…. Why of course, he blamed God, for that woman God gave him.. wonder what the Heavenly Father thought of his fair haired boy?

Genesis 3: 11- 12


62 posted on 09/26/2023 10:11:44 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Psalm 2. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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To: Just mythoughts

The woman also blamed the snake.

Your posts here certainly aren’t helping your case, so thank you, they are proving mine.

In fact there are plenty of men who would be happy to marry women. Its just that women don’t want to marry them. The guys the women want to marry, don’t want to marry them. So feminized media paints it not as women shooting way above their level and ignoring men who would marry them, feminized media and women like you demonize men for not wanting to marry because they can’t get the guy they want and are told “they deserve”.

Whatever it is women say its mens fault. This is no different.


63 posted on 09/26/2023 11:04:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Jyotishi

The abuse is in every church. I won’t say it’s in some more than others because the devil is going to all of them even non Christian ones to get to the children.


64 posted on 09/27/2023 1:32:51 AM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor. )
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To: Varsity Flight

Genesis 3:13 ff.

To the Woman: “What is this you have done?”

and following “because you have harkened to the voice of your wife...”

Men now are awakened to the consequences. They are concrete. And they are boundary violations.

“he shall rule over you”


65 posted on 09/27/2023 1:46:17 AM PDT by Varsity Flight ( See"War by🙏🙏 the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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To: cherry
seems men got what they wanted...free sex, free nudity, free porn, free, free, free and throw in birth control for the women to take and abortions if it didn't work....woo hoo...

Men did not "get what they wanted." Listen to young men. Most young men in their 20s are celibate because most young women are on OnlyFans or slutting around with top tier Alpha males.

Then when that doesn't work out, these heavily used women in their 30s are willing to "settle" for the men they refused to date in their youth, provided the man has money.

66 posted on 09/27/2023 2:08:03 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: dragonblustar
Yep, the Church is lacking on building men up.

The church is also lacking in holding woman accountable for their sins. The church, like the courts, want to put all the blame on men.

67 posted on 09/27/2023 2:10:34 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Just mythoughts
I ask you the same question, why aren't men who make whores, whores, whores toooo?

Some food for thought:

1. The Bible values female virginity far higher than male virginity, especially the Old Testament.

2. Sociobiology says that humans are genetically hard-wired to value female virginity, and be wary of male virginity. Men are attracted to virgin woman, but women find virgin men creepy.

I can go into greater depth, but you can find answers either by going through your Bible or reading up on sociobiology (what some call evolutionary biology).

68 posted on 09/27/2023 2:20:36 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Secret Agent Man
feminized media and women like you demonize men for not wanting to marry because they can’t get the guy they want and are told “they deserve”.

True. I've seen a couple dozen Lifetime and Hallmark romcoms over the decades. The message to women is always "Never Settle."

That was the message of Sleepless in Seattle, one of the 1990s top romcoms. Meg Ryan was set to marry a Nice Guy that she didn't love. The Nice Guy nicely stepped aside so Ryan could "follow her heart" and pursue Tom Hanks.

"Never Settle" is the mantra of many a Romcom Heroine's Less Pretty Best Friend.

I've even heard "Christian" woman on the 700 Club say that it's a "sin" to settle, that "God has a great plan for me. He has a great man in store for me. It grieves God to watch women settle for anything less."

69 posted on 09/27/2023 2:36:27 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Morgana
pastors... have told me they build up their children's ministry in order to get the numbers up. I've wanted to say they are targeting the wrong group and need to target men/fathers but they honestly think children is where it's at.

You are so right. Decades ago, I did graduate work on this topic of the disintegration of marriage culture in the U.S. In attempting to discuss it with a FORMER pastor (UMC), he scoffed that marriage is just natural and no one needs to learn about it. As we now know, by now the UMC has gone down the LGBTQXYZ tube and is in schism, splitting up the churches that remain after losing millions of members.

70 posted on 09/27/2023 8:20:01 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: albie
God intended one man one woman. Not 20 men, one woman. Or 4 men and one man

You left out 50 women, one man.

71 posted on 09/27/2023 8:20:52 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Morgana

Agree totally, and those denying it are doing the work of the devil — knowingly or unknowingly.


72 posted on 09/27/2023 8:26:05 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: joesbucks
Men are a very difficult group to recruit. Church is often seen as a women’s haven.

This is a failure of leadership, and much of it was a wrong-headed appeasement to feminism.

When, in my old age, I finally found a church that does not let women be pastors or even ushers, teachers of adult males or communion servers, I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. The women in the church are also very active with vital ministries, and are listened to for the most part, but the men are on the boards and finance spots, keep the bills paid and the property up, and support the pastor.

As a result, we have sound Biblical teaching, a wonderful pastor family, an active AV system and digital presence, rapid problem-solving, logical decision-making, and appropriate levels of spending, fund-raising, and tithing. One does not hear gossip or catty sniping from power-mad women, either. Thank you, Jesus! for this one church before I die!

73 posted on 09/27/2023 8:31:20 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Secret Agent Man
80% of divorce filed by women for any reason, got bored, fell out of love, dom’t feel the same anymore, he paid off my pre-marriage debt for me so now I can go...

Not quite. The figure is 69%, and the reasons are evolutionary as well as psychological. Men who are reproductively attractive have more opportunities to cheat or devalue commitment; men are also around twice as often the physical abuser in domestic cases; so it is the greater ability of women to support themselves since WW2, plus the lower quality of marriage to inadequately committed or abusive men that probably accounts for the difference.

74 posted on 09/27/2023 8:48:25 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: cockroach_magoo; frogjerk
"We need more God fearing Men who respect women as their wives and the mothers of their children."

Then don't we need more respectable women?

The problem has become intergenerational, and the fault lies with men as well as women. The Sexual Revolution of the 1960s weakened ties between sex and godliness, and the feminist agenda of the 70s and beyond weakened or cut ties between men and women and between parents and children.

Corrupt ideas of "freedom" enabled promiscuity, cohabitation, abortion, widespread pornography and illegitimate parenting. Recent decades have added social media crazes and exhibitionism.

Therefore since WW2, there has been a deficit of proper parenting by women and by men. Regardless of whose fault it was for the divorce or lack of marriage between parents, children are harmed especially by a lack of strong fathers in the home to bring up sons and daughters to a reasonable standard of modesty, sexual restraint and self-respect.

75 posted on 09/27/2023 9:00:23 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Angelino97
And after marriage, most divorces are initiated by women. The rise of single motherhood is caused mostly by women.

See post 74.

76 posted on 09/27/2023 9:02:59 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Morgana

The collapse is because of the decline in Christianity.


77 posted on 09/27/2023 9:04:16 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: mythenjoseph
Let women rot in their own makings via the courts. Answer me this why should I cowtow to a female that just needs to pick up a phone and tell authorities she feels uncomfortable and I have to leave my home ?

I agree with you that the courts have become a mess, and are contributing to discouraging men from marriage. I am an older woman who went through a divorce when the courts were outrageously favoring the newly-celebrated feminist "rights of fathers!", but based on what I now see, I fear for the sons of myself and my friends.

78 posted on 09/27/2023 9:07:58 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde
plus the lower quality of marriage to inadequately committed or abusive men

Does a "lower quality of marriage" (than the romantic fantasy most women imagine marriage to be) justify divorce?

As "abusive" men -- when a women divorces a man, she usually complains of "emotional abuse," because very few men engage in physical abuse.

What is "emotional abuse"? It's a catchall term that simply means the woman is unhappy. When a woman is unhappy, anything the man does, or does not do, will be rationalized as "emotional abuse." This is so the woman can justify the divorce to herself and others.

79 posted on 09/27/2023 9:11:05 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Years later Candace Bergen basically said that Dan Quayle was right.


80 posted on 09/27/2023 9:12:15 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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