If you are Catholic, you have the supposed spiritual descendant of St. Peter surrendering that Church to Mohammedan savages!
Do something! 
Posted on 01/08/2024 1:18:20 PM PST by OneVike
so why did Mary have to be sinless according to Catholics?
Is your Jesus so weak that he'd be contaminated with sin by mere contact with a sinful human being?
And no other person anywhere in Scripture is ever referred to a rock. That is only reserved for God or Jesus, Catholic misinterpretation of that renaming Simon as peter, notwithstanding. That verse alone does not prove that a pebble is the same as bedrock.
The irony of your posts coming from one of the biggest rejecters of Francis as pope this site has ever seen.
Who was the last legitimate pope, ebb?
According you your own personal interpretation of Catholicism.
You know? I am in the mood to not let this slide. First, the silly mind blowingly wrong statement: “It’s ludicrous to claim that Jesus would build HIS church upon a sinful flawed individual.”
The entire Bible is God using flawd, sinful people to do his will. (I’ll point them out if you can’t find them. There is no unflawed and sinless people’)
Now, if you actually read the FULL CHAPTER OF MATTHEW 16, you see Christ founding HIS Church on earth and appointing Peter to be the first among other apostles. (Just so you know the pope is actually the Bishop of Rome, just like the other bishops across the world. But I digress.)
Back to Matthew Chapter 16: 13-20. Here it is in full:
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[b] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.”
Christ CLEARLY gives Peter and the apostles the authority to represent HIM on earth in HIS name. The Catholic Church isn’t founded on Peter but Christ. In 2,000+ years we’ve known that and never claimed otherwise. You’ll find if you stop cutting and pasting snippets and read it seamlessly and in full, there is no option but to become Catholic and follow Christ as HE intended it should be.
Pretending that via some linguistic pretzel logic that Christ goes to all the trouble to state that Peter’s declaration is inspired by God the Father, and proceed to give him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. And give him the powers to bind and loose, which are guaranteed by heaven,.....and then deny that Christ was referring to Peter, regarding building His church on him, is just pitiful.
If you are Catholic, you have the supposed spiritual descendant of St. Peter surrendering that Church to Mohammedan savages!
Do something!
So, what’s the explanation for why the feminine form of rock was used to reference Christ/Jesus?
Chuck,
I have been a Freeper well over twenty five years. I’m sorry you feel as strongly against the church that brought you to faith in The Lord Jesus as you do. I know many good Catholics who know that Jesus is The Lord, The great Jehovah of the Old Testament and the literal Son of God in the flesh. They may have a few facts wrong but they are trying their best and will know Christ The Lord when they meet Him, more importantly Christ will know them and welcome them home.
It is plain as day to anyone that reads the Bible that the Rock is Jesus. Peter’s acknowledgment of who Christ really is, is the Rock. Not Peter.
This dogma is what Catholics use to try to elevate themselves above the rest as “the one true church”. I don’t have a problem with Catholics until they try elevating Church teaching above the Bible.
To me and you, but too many are raised to repeat what the preacher says instead of reading what the Scripture say
The Hebrew word "elowahh" אֱלוֹהַּ (god, little "g") is used where you have inserted "rock."
Is there some other Hebrew text that you are using or am I confusing the issue somehow?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The term used for Peter means “little rock”, or “pebble”. Peter knows who Jesus is through The Father, and that revelation is what He will build his Church on - not the man Peter.
Why do you even ask?
You reject all popes, just as you have your Catholic faith.
I will get back to you on that
I have to leave fir now but I will respond to it later
No rush. It’s not an important issue. Just a tiny detail that I noticed.
He was referring to all believers, not just Peter.
Why? It's been a heck of a party...we used to have some real knock-down dragouts. :D
I learned a lot from those discussions. I miss some of the commentators from the old days. On both sides.
Peter was NOT a pope. He was not even the Bishop of Rome.
I’m just thankful for a good old fashioned Catholic-Protestant discussion to give us a break from the Ukraine-Russian thread battles.
“He was ONE of the apostles and preached the gospel like the rest of them did.”
Galatians 2: 11 - 14
11 But when Cephas (Peter) came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
Paul obviously did not think Peter pulled rank over him.
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