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The Church and Freemasonry: the Secret February 16 Meeting in Milan -- by Roberto de Mattei
Rorate Caeli ^ | February 22, 2024 | Roberto de Mattei

Posted on 02/22/2024 7:53:40 AM PST by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide

You should thank my lucky stars that I am not an ancient Greek with many God’s, because surely Greeks would put you to death for not acknowledging other religions.

People like make good Crusaders but not reasonable men of peace.


141 posted on 02/22/2024 4:39:17 PM PST by Jumper
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To: ebb tide
'The freemasons never mention nor acknowledge Jesus Christ.'

Exactly. They are not a church or religion. Your 'deep problem' is trying to make them into one - and your church's deep problem has been an often psychotic fear of what they assume is a rival institution.
142 posted on 02/22/2024 4:42:58 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630

Oh but they have so much to say about religion for their claims about not being one!


143 posted on 02/22/2024 4:49:28 PM PST by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: Jumper

Acts 17 showed the Athenians at least were intrigued with what Paul had to say.

Your statement shows you not to be a person of peace yourself!


144 posted on 02/22/2024 4:52:22 PM PST by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: ebb tide

There you go ago with the inability to comprehend sentences and their meaning.

If you are in a lodge of Christian Mason’s, you will be expelled per the example in this case being Adultry, or murder, homosexuality, thievery, lying....

A Mason must be of good standing in his community and remain so.

Hypothetically, would Jesus rather have a group of Christians following God/Ten Commandants or the gaggle of abortion practing, homosexuality friendly church congeration? I have attended over 70 churches and maybe one or two would uphold God’s Laws. The Mason’s don’t want “practicing sinners living in sin. Very select group. Keep your Commandants and you will remain in good standing. I speak for the Christian Mason’s.

You are an emotional lighting rod. It prevents you from understanding simple words as written. You simply pick fights. Very judgmental in that narrow mind.


145 posted on 02/22/2024 4:53:03 PM PST by Jumper
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To: mdmathis6

I believe they hold belief in God as valuable and important. Otherwise, I’m not aware of them promoting religious belief or practices. (Moral, ethical and philosophical systems and understanding are not religious.)


146 posted on 02/22/2024 4:55:31 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jumper

The Masons of Solomon used no stones that were cut by tools in the building of the temple. It was God’s command! The stones were hewn from the ground and fitted into place. No tool was to cut them!

For modern masonry to claim some sort of kinship with Solomon’s masons directly is ludicrous. Modern masonry claims connections with the ancient builders of Egypt as well.


147 posted on 02/22/2024 4:58:50 PM PST by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: mdmathis6

You would be correct. I am a man of war. I have killed and have no quams doing it again given certain circumstances. Later in life I was a member of the foreign service... and fir a long time there I gave up on the USG.

Soldiers carry burdens so that others may remain pure in spirit and peace of mind.


148 posted on 02/22/2024 4:59:57 PM PST by Jumper
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To: mdmathis6

I have never heard anything about Egypt. Maybe the Muslims adapted it for local consuption.

Every lodge I ever attended had a Bible in the Center. If it was of specific constructoin for Masonic purposes, it had the same white and black tiled floor.

Of course the Mason’s are a guild, with guild secrets pertaining to construction. The Level, Trowl & Compass are the tools of the guild.

So many experts with no actual expertise!


149 posted on 02/22/2024 5:20:29 PM PST by Jumper
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To: cgbg
It doesn't seem much different then something i watched on Amazon prime about how to join Masonry in the USA. Basically, the same sales pitch.
I wish that it was all that innocuous!
150 posted on 02/22/2024 5:20:55 PM PST by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: Jumper

The eye of Osiris at the top of the pyramid on the dollar biil...you were aware that that is a masonic symbol?


151 posted on 02/22/2024 5:23:28 PM PST by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: mdmathis6

You have the right idea on-site but at the quarry the stones were cut.

New International Version
In building the temple, only blocks dressed at the quarry were used, and no hammer, chisel or any other iron tool was heard at the temple site while it was being built.

New Living Translation
The stones used in the construction of the Temple were finished at the quarry, so there was no sound of hammer, ax, or any other iron tool at the building site.

English Standard Version
When the house was built, it was with stone prepared at the quarry, so that neither hammer nor axe nor any tool of iron was heard in the house while it was being built.

Berean Standard Bible
The temple was constructed using finished stones cut at the quarry, so that no hammer or chisel or any other iron tool was heard in the temple while it was being built.

King James Bible
And the house, when it was in building, was built of stone made ready before it was brought thither: so that there was neither hammer nor axe nor any tool of iron heard in the house, while it was in building.


152 posted on 02/22/2024 5:24:13 PM PST by Jumper
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To: cgbg

Your writer is skeptic from the first sentence. He is using his opinion of what he has read or heard, without the mentorship of an actual Mason to correct him. He presents information from a DUNCAN thus probably from England or Scottland?

I am sure if you were reading about a Shamin’s estatic journey’s to either the underworld or overworld you might picture in you western Christian mind something totally wrong from the actual meaning. You would read abvout performing a kut or rite or cermony for sickness or death and say “that’s not right” or think something dismissive to your own self in your mind. Your understanding would be shaped by your beliefs and experiences and what you imagined.

This is just a magazine article and not something that actually written by one who has any experience.

It is full of “triggered” concerns by the author who tries to make sense with is understanding and logic. He might as well of dug up a grave site or tossed some rune stones for divination in writing that “guided offense”. His final analysis is that it is a religion, not the original religion. It is not a religon so calm down.


153 posted on 02/22/2024 5:34:57 PM PST by Jumper
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To: Jamestown1630

Certainly they are religious. That which is transcendent and fixed in God’s spirit informs the conscience as to what is to be considered moral, ethical and philosophical. Proverbs has wisdom stating that it was by wisdom that God created the heavens and the earth. Proverbs says that God hates unjust weights and measures. Collossians describes Christ as being the full expression of the God head in his flesh and that the whole of creation is held together thru the person of Christ Jesus. Corinthians 15 says that Without the resurrection of Christ then our religion is in vain and that we might as well live the best sensuous enjoyable life we can(”let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die”)

Acts 17 again says that in God ...we live and move and have our being so that none of us is very far from him.

No sir! Morality, ethics and philosophy are dead without the light of God thru Jesus shining thru them. Indeed He must shine thru them so that someday, the world can perceive the knowledge of the Glory of the Lord filling the Earth as waters cover the sea!


154 posted on 02/22/2024 5:38:55 PM PST by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: Jumper

I have given two separate sources in this thread explaining that the Masonic newbies have no clue of the real Masonic agenda.

They operate in secrecy—and the biggest secrets are kept from the vast majority of their own members.

They were so scandalous that there was an actual political party formed to oppose them in the 1800s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonic_Party

They are not kissing cousins of the Rotary Club.


155 posted on 02/22/2024 5:48:36 PM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Jumper; caver; Jamestown1630
A masonic lodge of only christian masons? I don't believe they exist. I don't think your Grand Master would tolerate that.

But if they do, there must be other lodges out there? Muslim, Hindu, etc.?

And you all profess the same "Grand Architect"?

The Mason’s don’t want “practicing sinners living in sin.

Why not? Jamestown claims you all are not a religion. So why do you care about sin?

156 posted on 02/22/2024 5:50:07 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Jumper

I acknowledge the redirect in the case of tools used onsite of the temple itself that they weren’t to be used as each stone had already been marked and fiitted into place from the blue print given Solomon. The altars built by Joshua and others in Israel previous to the temple were not to be cut by iron implements but by hand hewn uncut stones fitted into place.


157 posted on 02/22/2024 5:52:05 PM PST by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: mdmathis6

So, you think that people who don’t follow your religion and see God your way have no morality or ethics or philosophy? Even animals exhibit some rudimentary forms of ethics.


158 posted on 02/22/2024 5:52:28 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jumper; caver; Jamestown1630
A Mason must be of good standing in his community and remain so.

Whether that "community" is the Castro district, Sodom or Gomorrah?

Catholics prefer to be in community with God, the only God in the Holy Trinity. Not your "grand architect".

159 posted on 02/22/2024 6:01:14 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Jamestown1630
Even animals exhibit some rudimentary forms of ethics.

Tell that to the mosquito I just killed.

160 posted on 02/22/2024 6:03:08 PM PST by ebb tide
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