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The Church and Freemasonry: the Secret February 16 Meeting in Milan -- by Roberto de Mattei
Rorate Caeli ^ | February 22, 2024 | Roberto de Mattei

Posted on 02/22/2024 7:53:40 AM PST by ebb tide

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To: Jamestown1630
So, you think that people who don’t follow your religion and see God your way have no morality or ethics or philosophy?

They think of God in the wrong way. Period.

161 posted on 02/22/2024 6:06:54 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Jamestown1630; Jumper; caver
Freemasons to accept transgender women – if they joined as men

An evil, sick cult.

162 posted on 02/22/2024 6:17:41 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Jamestown1630

Let Acts 17:22-34 answer that question. It was Paul’s sermon to Athens and it;s philosophers. he builds his sermon around their worship of “The Unknown God” i see irony here because I see many Masons committed in unity in the worship of the Athenian concept of the “Unknown God”.. At Athens it was an altar set up so that a person may sacrifice to what ever God they may have missed, lest an individual run the risk of incurring the wrath of some sore and neglected deity.
Paul contended that it was the God of Israel that was the true “Unknown God’ that was being worshipped and that this God was tolerant of such things in the past but was now commanding that the whole world follow Christ for a fixed day of judgment was coming...

“Acts 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.”

In a way Masonry is a corrupted version of the reality of God that Paul exposited on Mars hill in Athens. It is a twisted echo of what Paul preached at Athens. Compare and Contrast What Masonry says about its general philosophy vs what Paul says about “The Unknown God’ and you can see the deviations away from God’s word and his command that the whole world should repent and come to Jesus.


163 posted on 02/22/2024 6:20:23 PM PST by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: Jumper

You seem to not acknowledge the fact that the Masons accept non-Christians in all of their lodges.


164 posted on 02/22/2024 6:25:04 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Jumper
You should thank my lucky stars that I am not an ancient Greek with many God’s, because surely Greeks would put you to death for not acknowledging other religions.

Why should I thank you for your "lucky stars?

I have great admiration and devotion to the holy catholic martyrs who died for "not acknowledging other (false) religions".

165 posted on 02/22/2024 6:33:10 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Jamestown1630
They are not a church or religion.

Why do they demand a profession of belief in a Supreme Being? The Grand Architect?

166 posted on 02/22/2024 6:36:25 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

What reputable publications you trust!

And it is absolute nonsense. If a man decides to ‘trans’ himself, he’s out.


167 posted on 02/22/2024 6:36:35 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: ebb tide

I see word association of Stars and planets being Gods
for the Greeks and Romans is over your head;)

Mars was the God of War if memory serves me correct. You see there have been many Gods to other people in the annuals of human history.

I’m out - this thread is tiring.


168 posted on 02/22/2024 6:37:49 PM PST by Jumper
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To: ebb tide

Belief in a Supreme Being does not constitute a religion, much less a church.


169 posted on 02/22/2024 6:38:49 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Jamestown1630
If a man decides to ‘trans’ himself, he’s out.

Not according to your United Grand Lodge of England.

170 posted on 02/22/2024 6:39:03 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Your stupidity only serves to limit your ability actually think.


171 posted on 02/22/2024 6:39:12 PM PST by Jumper
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To: ebb tide

“Freemasons to accept transgender women – if they joined as men
An evil, sick cult.”

Good catch.

You put the nail on the coffin—I did not even know that.

I was sure the Freemasons must be on the wrong side of that issue based on their previous history—but could not prove it.


172 posted on 02/22/2024 6:40:12 PM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Jamestown1630
Belief in a Supreme Being does not constitute a religion, much less a church.

What does?

What is your definition of a religion?

What is your definition of a church?

173 posted on 02/22/2024 6:43:33 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: cgbg

“Lower level Masons have no clue what the upper level secrets are.

It is not their fault—it just is what it is.”

The same can be said about Scientology.


174 posted on 02/22/2024 6:44:31 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: ebb tide

Your inability to retain information is evident. Each state or nation has thier lodges.

England wrote a law that forced this upon the organization.

Apparently you don’t actually read anything or retain anything simple becasue you are at odds and dismiss even factual information written to you.

I sincerely hope I never have the opportunity to see you around FR. I have been here at FR for nearly 26 years and have never even seen a libtard/libturd as dense and stupid as you.


175 posted on 02/22/2024 6:45:30 PM PST by Jumper
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To: Jumper

See post #162.


176 posted on 02/22/2024 6:46:09 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I can only say that if you visit a lodge, they will not let you into the meeting in most instances... you will allowed to sit outside in the kitchen area.

I think it’s time for your next hit of LSD.


177 posted on 02/22/2024 6:47:22 PM PST by Jumper
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To: Jamestown1630

Now let Romans chapter 2 answer more specifically about ethics morality and philosopy as to whether or not non Christians can show a sense of ethics and morality. They can...but not in any way that saves their souls. The blood and flesh spilled and broken respectively from Jesus could only ever do that to make us acceptable to God.

“Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

All men have a knowledge of what is good and evil, right and wrong and indeed some very ethical and moral men who don’t believe in Christ are following what is already instinctual by conscience to follow. Yet it won’t save them unless they have Believed on Christ and were saved. Still God will be the ultimate judge, especially in those cases where they never heard the gospel but were very moral and ethical people. The Bible is clear what happens to those who hear and reject the truth...God will judge graciously those who never heard about Jesus but were found to be Christ like in their lives...I think we’ll find in the day of judgment that there will be some surprises as to just who will find or not find their names in Christ’s Lambs book of life. I rest assured that if Christ can find some lost sheep that can be saved, he will do so. Many will go to the Lake of Fire...others...well God will judge with grace as Justice AND grace can allow!


178 posted on 02/22/2024 6:49:39 PM PST by mdmathis6 (A horrible historic indictment: Biden Democrats plunging the world into war to hide their crimes!)
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To: Jumper
England wrote a law that forced this upon the organization.

I highly doubt that. But if it's true, you masons rolled over like a puppy wanting his belly rubbed.

179 posted on 02/22/2024 6:49:53 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

You seem a little thick - it’s not ‘my’ United Lodge.

As I understand it, in the US things like this would be decided by individual Grand Lodges. I doubt any regular lodge would stand for it.


180 posted on 02/22/2024 6:50:22 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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